Sauer 404. Nice little piece of engineering

guys,

that is intersting because it is opposition between two different kind of gun owners.

one here where we do not have that much limitation on how many rifles we can own and in Europe were many juridictions put the numbers between three and six rifles that one can own and sometimes not even two with the same calibers .

one rifle like this one with three barrels count for one only.

same on the way they hunt there.

it is engeeniring (sp?) we may not like for sure but that is a market working well for Isny that are building blaser, mauser and sauer.

in the past sauer was building their own barrels no more.
 
Hey!!! Watch it! This is not an argument...it's just a friendly debate, CGN-style. :) Nobody is arguing here.

Don't make me take my belt off...

edited to add: this post is directed at that troublemaker Ardent. :)
 
The mindset of the North American "customizer";

A precision machined barrel (Blaser/Sauer) that costs $1000 and essentially transforms the rifle into another is a complete waste of money, yet a plastic stock (McMillan) that costs nearly the same is the best investment ever! :)
 
The only things I do not like about the 404 are the alloy receiver and the proprietary mounts. My 202 is steel and can use a variety of bases and will last me forever. The other pro's of the 404 didn't outweigh the cons over the 202 for me.
 
Ardent said:
I actually agree with both sides in part, how's that for diplomacy?
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Screw diplomacy! Everybody knows that necessity is the mother of invention, but nobody seems to see that compromise is the father of failure. :)

Angus, with your new guiding enterprise coming to life, your tact and diplomacy will serve you well in your dealings with clients. I no longer need to worry about that...which is a good thing, because my life supply of those items is pretty much used up. I think that most of us in this thread can see and appreciate the benefits of both ends of the gun spectrum, i.e. the pure classic Mauser 98 and the new-age iron (or alloy...) represented by the 404 and its cousins. There are only one or two real die-hards who refuse to bend an inch...no, I'm not one of them.
 
nowarningshot said:
I saw some online stuff for about $3500. But could not find a Canadian dealer for these. Probably Prophet River would be your best choice. I would bet that once you paid for proprietary rings/bases, handling fees, and put a decent piece of glass on it would be north of $5000. Even if a different barrel was 900-1000(?, but typical for Blaser), and add the bolt head. Say another $1500 to have two barrels.

It is a price thing, but also a Alder monster issue. I just dont see myself buying this, and actually taking a chance of scratching the pretty wood. Make a synthetic stocked version for 2/3 the price and i would bet they would sell very well.
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I believe MD Charlton is the Canadian Distributor. Reliable Gun stocks Sauer, but neither show the 404 on their websites. I would assume it will be some time before they are available in Canada.
 
The more complex a system is, the more likely it is to fail, or show an "Achilles heel"
KISS is still a good concept. If you are carrying your Sauer in the outback somewhere
and it breaks, fixing it or having a backup rifle may not be an option, due to cost/availability.

The concept is fine, and I'm sure they are very nice to have and shoot, but the extra
complicated design simply begs for a failure somewhere. Then simplicity shows it's advantage. D.
 
jjohnwm said:
I don't care if the gun is to be used for mountain game, long-range hunting, dangerous game or shooting into space. The way the rifle fits does not change from one type of use to another...a rifle that fits me will work for any purpose that I will want a hunting rifle to serve. I'm as much a fan as the next guy when it comes to having a couple of gunsafes full of largely redundant rifles for different purposes, but the fact is that a single switch-barrel, with only a couple or a few different chamberings available, will do the job at least as well as the full-on collection of specialty rifles will. Shooting everything with the same well-fitting gun, using the same trigger, same ergonomics and same "feel" has huge advantages.

But for me, an equally large part of the appeal of this gun is the tiny size of the package in which it fits when taken down. Go through an airport just once with a 26- or 30-inch long gun case, and then try to tell me that you prefer the 40- or 50-inch job you need for your old Mauser.

All the other features are less important, but still have their value. I don't care that much for detachable magazines, but the one on this gun looks pretty safe against accidental release or loss. The manual cocking/decocking safety is wonderful when you get used to it. The Sauer proprietary scope mounting system is supposed to be perfect return-to-zero. I know, I know, that's "impossible"...except it isn't. Blaser has a scope mount that does indeed return to zero with no perceptible shift, so it seems reasonable that Sauer can do the same.

I like traditional and history in my guns. If I want to hunt with a gun that has those attributes, it won't be a bolt gun at all...I'll use a falling block single, or a muzzle loader, or even one of them futuristic lever guns that hold more than one shell! :) But if you want the perfect tool for the job...and if you are honest with yourself...it's pretty hard not to see the advantages offered by modern rifles of this type.
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I be in the same boat & fully agree.:) I love lever guns & Mausers along with Lee Enfields , Mosin Nagants, M70 Winchesters and on-an-on. I'm kinda "quasi-Fudd" in me tastes in various shooting systems. I enjoy the classics, but have no worries going with arms made using modern manufacturing methods & materials. I'm tickled by the performance achievable in a rifle that's priced fer average workin' folk on a budget. Thanks to Arthur Savage & Nick Brewer back in '59 we've long had a great way to swap barrels out on sportin' bolt rifles.

It took the other makers quite some time to get in on the advantages of the system these folks designed, but now we have most gun makers in North America turning out rifles using it.
Tain't hard to figure why on the assembly side.:rolleyes: It's sure a bonus on the user side bigtime.

I've not needed a take down rifle for travel, as I don't go beyond Canadian borders to hunt or shoot any more, but a well made takedown arm is just the ticket
for folks on away missions. Fer traveling, I'd rather have a TC Encore package set for the game intended.

I like the look of the Sauer 404 & figure a bunch of others will dig it as well, but fer me, I'm more than happy with me Remington 783's fer my uses. I fully reckon
that a 783 in 308 will out shoot the Sauer 404 in the same chambering with barrels of similar length. Fresh outta da box, properly cleaned, lubed and action screws
torqued to specs plus fitted with the same glass, my money is on the 783, be it in walnut or synthetic stock version. Game on speculators.
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