Savage 10 BAS-K - What you guys think?

Hmm...stole the idea...doubtful. It's a black aluminum chassis, plain and simple. Saying that they stole the design from PDC is pretty thin. Kinda like saying that the M14 is a copy of the M1. Very similar but that's where it ends.
 
This thing is a joke. What PD worth its salt is going to throw money at this polished turd? If you guessed "none" you're probably not too far off the mark. It's more for the posers and wannabes. You know? The mall ninja "tacticool" crowd? It's anything but serious.

For $1,800 USD you can do a whole lot better than what is being offered. However, whatever floats your boat. Have at er'! Just make sure you get a Barska tactical scope and ultra-high Farrel rings and 20 moa base with it. It'll complete the package for sure.
 
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This thing is a joke. What PD worth its salt is going to throw money at this polished turd? If you guessed "none" you're probably not too far off the mark. It's more for the posers and wannabes. You know? The mall ninja "tacticool" crowd? It's anything but serious.

For $1,800 USD you can do a whole lot better than what is being offered. However, whatever floats your boat. Have at er'! Just make sure you get a Barska tactical scope and ultra-high Farrel rings and 20 moa base with it. It'll complete the package for sure.

They seem to buy Remingtons and from the the Quaility Control I have seen in the last 3 yrs I would say that if the Savage Rifles were polished Turds then the Remingtons are just plain old coiled steamers
 
Your username says it all. I wouldn't expect you to think otherwise. By the way, since when did this become a Chevy vs Ford argument? My comment was made regarding this specific abomination and not all Savage firearms in general.

I'm curious. Please, tell us your experience with poor QC with the Remingtons that you've either owned or had personal experience with in the last (3) years. Please cite specific model and nature of the issue, problem, or defect. I'm looking forward to your reply.
 
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Irregardless of the looks, I'm sure it will shoot as good or better than anyone might think. As far as the price, that's still up in the air.
 
ive asked around and the one canada will be seeing is the non colapsable stock version.. (who wants a collapsable stock on a target rifle anyhow ?) the other one we are looking at around march to start arriving.
 
ive asked around and the one canada will be seeing is the non colapsable stock version.. (who wants a collapsable stock on a target rifle anyhow ?) the other one we are looking at around march to start arriving.

No one happened to give you an estimated price while they were at it eh?
 
Why is this even being discussed in the Precision Rifle forum?

I reiterate, lets start a Savage vs Remington forum to debate the unending speculative irrelevancies of these sorts of rifles that are marketed purely in the basis of their looks, not their "precision"
 
Your username says it all. I wouldn't expect you to think otherwise. By the way, since when did this become a Chevy vs Ford argument? My comment was made regarding this specific abomination and not all Savage firearms in general.

I'm curious. Please, tell us your experience with poor QC with the Remington's that you've either owned or had personal experience with in the last (3) years. Please cite specific model and nature of the issue, problem, or defect. I'm looking forward to your reply.
So what are your experiences with Remington's what you own one:dancingbanana::dancingbanana:

Lets see I have disassembled about 60 Remington 700 BDL and PSS in the past 3 yrs preparing them for machining for a government agency to have suppressors installed and things that were noticed before and after machine work .Triggers that were for a better lack of words JUNK on some rifles , we had about 23 rifles where the barrels outside diameter was not concentric with the bore , had 3 rifles that had to be returned after inspection because the barrels were bent . Also in that time we also did 6-7 Savage 10 LE models and about 5-8 Winchester 70s . The issue with the Savage rifles was the POS Tupperware stock no issues with barrels. No issues with the Winchester 70's. Also A friend had purchased a Remington 700 PSS he was complaining that we was running out of wind age adjustment on his Nightforce 3.5-15x scope when he was sighting it in at 500m. He brought in to the shop and upon inspection it turned out that the barrel threads had been machined off center and as a result the barrel was about a 1/4 in off of center at the muzzle noticeable upon investigation but not noticeable when looked at causally. He returned to Remington for warranty and then sold it. The triggers were cleaned up to an acceptable standard

As for starting this about Ford vs Chev hosre#### you better look in the mirror.

Remington Law Enforcement sales have been declining because the product they sell is being plagued with poor QC as well departments are buying better rifles like Accuracy International ,HS Precision, PGWDI ,McMillan, Tack Ops come to mind and Savage rifles are making in roads into this market as well.

As for the stock on this rifle get used to it it is that shape of things to come as the latest rage for stocks is this style of Aluminium Chassis stocks
 
personally i like the new savage , i have a 10 flp thats not a year old yet so i will have to do with what ive got for now since i have a choate stock orderedto replace the tupperwear one ,perhapps some accessorie rails in the future to finnish it off,
 
Why is this even being discussed in the Precision Rifle forum?

I reiterate, lets start a Savage vs Remington forum to debate the unending speculative irrelevancies of these sorts of rifles that are marketed purely in the basis of their looks, not their "precision"

Precisely where should it be discussed then? The only possible other category that it may fit into is the Hunting and Sporting Arms. But as its designated as a law enforcement rifle, chambered in .308, and is a bolt action rifle, I am led to believe it will be a sniper's rifle. Sniping HAS to be precise.

Last time I checked, Savage marketed their rifles on exactly that, precision. Not looks. Actually here, this is the line off their website: "Savage Arms is proud of its' reputation for product improvements and has become the standard for accuracy in the industry."

Talking of precision, if you happened to watch the video on the 2nd site I linked in my first post, the palma shot a half inch group at 200 yards, or roughly .25 MOA. Thats pretty good eh?

As for marketing on looks, i'm not sure how you figure this Model BAS rifle is marketed purely on its looks, it was debuted what, all of 3.5 weeks ago? Taking Savage's website into consideration as one of its main forms of marketing I'm sure, it just displays a small picture, and facts about the rifle. I don't consider that marketing "purely in the basis of their looks".

In close:
I understand that you are a dealer in precision, according to your website, and signature line. In my mind, if I owned your business, every time a rifle manufacturer came out with a new rifle, I would be happy. Every new rifle that comes out, means theres probably many new things I can sell for that model of rifle. There are only a few situations where I would not be happy:
a) The rifle does not need any modifications, therefore, nothing for me to sell.
b) I can sell modifications for this rifle, but I dislike that it came out, as it will greatly drop the sales of my products for other rifles.

Competition. Good for all consumers. That's what I am.

You have successfully posted something negative on all three prior pages of 10 posts. Here is page 4. Prove me wrong.
 
A friend of mine got to see this rifle at SHOT, he said for as off looking as it is, it is a pretty rock solid platform and the stock is very comfortable. Anyone else who went to shot get a chance to see this?
 
A friend of mine got to see this rifle at SHOT, he said for as off looking as it is, it is a pretty rock solid platform and the stock is very comfortable. Anyone else who went to shot get a chance to see this?

Yes I handled it @ Shot the rifle feels extremely solid no issue with the extended scope rail as Jerry suggests .As for being ugly I have to agree but it is comfortable and well balanced to handle . I was impressed by the overall fit and Finnish but I highly suspect that it might be less on the production guns than what was displayed @ Shot. This though is typical of all manufacturers that showcase thier wares at Trade Shows.
 
Precisely where should it be discussed then? The only possible other category that it may fit into is the Hunting and Sporting Arms. But as its designated as a law enforcement rifle, chambered in .308, and is a bolt action rifle, I am led to believe it will be a sniper's rifle. Sniping HAS to be precise.

We have a Black and Green Rifles forum. This is a good candidate for that forum. However, I concede, I have been negative and you probably have a right to be pyssed at me for that. I consider myself a disciple of precision shooting, and I play in a sport where guaranteed sub quarter minute accuracy is essential if you want to do really well. Unfortunately, the definition of "precision rifle" has been very blurred in this forum. There are websites devoted to true precision shooting where a rifle of this type would never be discussed, but this website's virtue is primarily its country of origin, not so much it definition of what constitutes a precision rifle. Clearly the conflict here is with my own expectations.

(FYI...Sniper rifles actually aren't that "precise"....)

FWIW, what you or anyone buys is entirely up to you. What bothers me - as someone that actively promotes newcomer participation in precision shooting sports- is the assumption that a) expensive, b) "tactical" and c) epithets such as "Uber Cool Do It All gun" will lead one to believe that this is the short path to achieving precision results.

This rifle has all the window dressing someone that wanting a "Sniper" rifle could ever want, and it probably shoots fairly well, but it was not built from the ground up to put precision first.
 
We have a Black and Green Rifles forum. This is a good candidate for that forum. However, I concede, I have been negative and you probably have a right to be pyssed at me for that. I consider myself a disciple of precision shooting, and I play in a sport where guaranteed sub quarter minute accuracy is essential if you want to do really well. Unfortunately, the definition of "precision rifle" has been very blurred in this forum. There are websites devoted to true precision shooting where a rifle of this type would never be discussed, but this website's virtue is primarily its country of origin, not so much it definition of what constitutes a precision rifle. Clearly the conflict here is with my own expectations.

(FYI...Sniper rifles actually aren't that "precise"....)

FWIW, what you or anyone buys is entirely up to you. What bothers me - as someone that actively promotes newcomer participation in precision shooting sports- is the assumption that a) expensive, b) "tactical" and c) epithets such as "Uber Cool Do It All gun" will lead one to believe that this is the short path to achieving precision results.

This rifle has all the window dressing someone that wanting a "Sniper" rifle could ever want, and it probably shoots fairly well, but it was not built from the ground up to put precision first.

Thanks for the insights Obtunded.

I was thinking the black and green rifles as well, but the description was AR's and SMG's, so I chose this category as, what I thought, the closest fit.

I suppose precise is a relative term. How I meant it, was that if this rifle is supposed to be precise enough for a LE Sniper to save lives, it should then also be more than precise enough for an everyday rifle. I don't know if thats true or not, just a hopeful assumption :)

As far as the precision of "sniper" rifles goes, in comparison to the match rifles that are out there, I agree, they probably aren't that precise. Probably along the lines of a custom built match rifle being a scalpel, and a sniper rifle being a utility knife.. If that makes sense.

If you read my first post over again, cool was not a part of it :p I said "uber do it all rifle" Ie. a jack of all trades, but master of none.

If its for LE, it should be very, very durable.
Also, its for LE, and its from Savage, so second assumation is that its going to be near the top of mass produced rifles accuracy.
Its a .308 so you could use it for deer hunting. May be a bit heavy for some.
Its got a big magazine, so if you are out shooting varmints, you don't have to change the mag... as often. (Hehe I hope none of you have any problem with the idea of shooting varmints with a .308...)
Same thing with paper. Probably the vast majority of us (myself included) couldn't squeeze everything out of this rifle, but still have a blast. Plus you can shoot two 5-shot groups on one mag!

The biggest downsides to this rifle I can see are: for some, the looks. For all, the cost of the rifle, and the cost of all the ammo you're gonna shoot. :D
 
Outbound read the forum tags better yet here it is so dont get your pantys in knot.

"Precision Rifles Reach out and touch your targets"
Kind of explains what this forum is about
 
We have a Black and Green Rifles forum. This is a good candidate for that forum. However, I concede, I have been negative and you probably have a right to be pyssed at me for that. I consider myself a disciple of precision shooting, and I play in a sport where guaranteed sub quarter minute accuracy is essential if you want to do really well. Unfortunately, the definition of "precision rifle" has been very blurred in this forum. There are websites devoted to true precision shooting where a rifle of this type would never be discussed, but this website's virtue is primarily its country of origin, not so much it definition of what constitutes a precision rifle. Clearly the conflict here is with my own expectations.

(FYI...Sniper rifles actually aren't that "precise"....)

FWIW, what you or anyone buys is entirely up to you. What bothers me - as someone that actively promotes newcomer participation in precision shooting sports- is the assumption that a) expensive, b) "tactical" and c) epithets such as "Uber Cool Do It All gun" will lead one to believe that this is the short path to achieving precision results.

This rifle has all the window dressing someone that wanting a "Sniper" rifle could ever want, and it probably shoots fairly well, but it was not built from the ground up to put precision first.


x2... ####in' A!
 
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No one happened to give you an estimated price while they were at it eh?

i think it was over 2k for one. so im hoping with that kind of pricetag its going to shoot like one of the F class rifles. id really like one, but the price tag is rather heafty.
 
"Tactical" and "Sniper" rifles have long been the mainstay of the Precision Rifle forum. It's nto the "Benchrest and F-Class" forum so stop being pissy and get back to discussing the rifle itself.
 
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