Savage 10 Precision Carbine 308 vs Remington 700 SPS Tactical

I vote for the sps Tactical. I glass bedded my rifle with the original stock and now I can shoot the eye out of a squirrel at 300 yards. I time my shots between blinks so I don't loose any eyelid meat.
 
Stillar said:
I vote for the sps Tactical. I glass bedded my rifle with the original stock and now I can shoot the eye out of a squirrel at 300 yards. I time my shots between blinks so I don't loose any eyelid meat.
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Pressure can those eyelids....takes a few - but a toothpick, ketchup and a Coor's Light.....Heaven!
 
Remington.

If you have more money to spend I would look at buying an AAC-SD, LTR, or XCR Compact. Calling the Savage the ‘Chevy Smallblock’ is misleading. Sure barrels can be switched by the user, but you also need a few tools for that. The Remington is still the leader in aftermarket support and parts.
 
very interesting thread, I am looking at both of these as my first rifle. Interesting to see all of the different opinions.

Cheers,
Sean
 
Remington is the leader in aftermarket parts because they don't change anything and because you need the aftermarket parts to make it shoot. Thats right I said it :p

All kidding aside, I own many Savage rifles and they all shoot without any work done to them. Not even bedding. It's quite easy:

1) Buy Rifle
2) Develop load
3) Shoot lights out

I prefer to spend my money on ammo.
 
Tcon said:
Remington is the leader in aftermarket parts because they don't change anything and because you need the aftermarket parts to make it shoot. Thats right I said it :p

All kidding aside, I own many Savage rifles and they all shoot without any work done to them. Not even bedding. It's quite easy:

1) Buy Rifle
2) Develop load
3) Shoot lights out

I prefer to spend my money on ammo.
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Regardless of what brand of rifle you own, you're free to make any changes you see fit to help improve accuracy. It's always a crap shoot. I've bedded several rifles and never saw any change in accuracy. Wether you do or don't is the decision the rifle owner has to make.

You don't need to replace anything on a Remington to make them shoot well as countless people will tell you here. If you want to then that's a different story.

If Savages didn't need or require aftermarket accesories, neither Jerry or Sean would be specializing in them. And they don't be in short supply of people willing to buy from them.
 
Blindeyes said:
Yeah the problems I had with my savage were as follows if I can remember.
-Mag would lock into rifle but would not sit up tight in the chamber so the bolt wouldn't load the round.
-I forget what it was but they said in report something had to be changed and re-aligned.
-On the one magazine the magazine was actually coming apart.

Sorry for the lack of info I can't find paper work and kind of gave up on the thing because when I received the rifle Savage said they fixed and test fired the rifle. I took it out that week and the rifle failed to remove casing and eject it on many occasions so I haven't used it since. Waited 4 months for repairs and to me wasn't done satisfactory.
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I see, And what model of savage did you have?
 
Tcon said:
Remington is the leader in aftermarket parts because they don't change anything and because you need the aftermarket parts to make it shoot. That’s right I said it :p
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You were kidding, but the same joke can be said about Savage. They're sold with the same tupperware stocks and bad triggers. I only read about fans of the accu trigger. I have never met a person who would keep that trigger given a choice.

I rarely read any complaints from owners of 700's (or Savages for that matter) saying their rifles won’t shoot. When speaking specifically about the SPS, there are endless examples of people dropping SPS's into stocks more expensive than the rifle and being very happy. If the SPS wasn’t a good rifle to begin with I don’t think they would be putting them in $500+ stocks.

The changing parts is a good point. Savage needs to stop that. It is frustrating for manufacturers to keep up.

I will admit that Savage has a much better custom shop. Also, they offer a larger variety of calibers in every model.


Tcon said:
1) Buy Rifle
2) Develop load
3) Shoot lights out
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That is good advice for any rifle and the key to making any rifle ‘shoot.’.
 
I own a 10PC in .308win and a Sps Tactical in .223rem, both are good rifles and both have their downfalls.

The Savage has a better stock, Detachable Mag, Better Trigger but lacks the aftermarket support of Remington.
 
i have a savge 10pc and love it. I cant believe what it can do at long range and I haven't even started to reload for it yet! I would say savage all the way. I have shoot a rem as well but for my i like the savage better for fell and the overall performance of it. AND don't cheep out on the other parts!!! its a beautiful gun and everyone would love to keep it that way!
 
I have a 10PC in .308 and an SPS-T in .223. Out of the box, I'd have to say the Savage gets the nod. The AccuStock, while be no means without its faults, is more rigid than the Hogue. Also, the DM system on the Savage is a bonus, especially if you can get hold of some of the SSS 9-rounders. The AccuTrigger take some getting used to, but to me feels no worse than the X-Mark Pro on the SPS. I ended up bedding the SPS into an HS takeoff from an LTR that I picked up on the EE, which was a huge improvement. Both rifles now shoot pretty much the same, right around 1/2 MOA. Both were pretty easy to do load development for using match bullets. Took a while to find a hunting bullet the .223 liked, but finally settled on 60g VMax.
 
Hokus Grey said:
I'm interested in doing something bigger later on. I was thinking the Remington 700 in .338 Lapua. I really like the stock options for Remington, but that's a "down the road" type aspiration.
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Hmm, well, I'm very far from expert in things 700 or .338, but a few months ago I saw someone complain about very poor accuracy from a factory R700 in 338LM...so I did a google search, and found he wasn't the only one having SEVERE accuracy issues with it.

Not a fancy build, just factory Remingtons of recent manufacture. One guy said no better than 4" at 100m... I mean, I'm no precision shooter, but if I got that myself, I'd be returning it to the store after shooting four groups, three just to confirm it wasn't just a fluke.
 
I remember hearing about issues with the first batch of Rem .338's too. I think the problems were solved in the newer batches..?
 
I traded my Tikka for my Savage FCP-K and haven't looked back. I like the accustock and tolerate the trigger. Accuracy is incredible and consistent. I had some feed issues when I got it, but a warranty mag swap took care of that. My advise... If you get a rifle with the accustock, get a torque wrench as the stock requires being torqued in a specific sequence to ensure that the action properly beds into the stock. The majority of accustock complaints come from people that do not do this with a torque wrench.
 
lonely_wolf said:
I remember hearing about issues with the first batch of Rem .338's too. I think the problems were solved in the newer batches..?
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Oh, they BETTER have...I mean really, 4-5" at 100m ?!!?!? There's probably a couple of handguns that could match that...but a bolt action in .338? from a "reputable" brand name manufacturer? That's just plain horrific.

I don't think that's normal at Remington. I think they must have had some serious mistakes they probably resolved. Thing is, the guys reporting this said Remmy wouldn't actually fix the problem on their examples, despite them being brand new. I know I'd be pissed. And that kinda shocked me. I'm sure if you bought a proven .308 SPS you'd be fully squared away with a tight shooter though.
 
anyone pull the action from the stock on the 10PC?? im wondering if the contact area between the action and stock are flush or if it only has a few contact points like the rem 700's?
 
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