Savage 10 TR @ Epps
- Thread starter Harry Callahan
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Sounds like some people taking advantage of an offer for the wrong reasons.
This is why its stupid its offered only to LEO/Military, some people are just going to try to make money from it.
Maybe savage should just have a flat rate discount for LEO/military on their products instead.
This is why its stupid its offered only to LEO/Military, some people are just going to try to make money from it.
Maybe savage should just have a flat rate discount for LEO/military on their products instead.
- Location
- Richmond, BC
How do you know it wasn't Epps marking it up? I don't know any LGS that buys used guns and doesn't mark them up for profit. Besides, I don't think Mil/Le guys are so hard up for cash that they have to buy a rifle only to turn around and flip it for $100 (Don't forget, there's tax, shipping, and the LGS has to make a cut on the used gun as well).
It's not a limited edition, vintage, brand new in box Spock action figure with Leonard Nimoy's signature and blood sample on it, it's a limited edition rifle that probably won't be so limited when Savage changes their mind (like Remington and Aimpoint with their "LE/MIL Only" items), realize the 10TR is a money-maker and begin to sell it en masse to everyone.
If they really needed the money and wanted to profit from it, they should have marked uit up to $1,000 and sold it on EE, haha!
It's not a limited edition, vintage, brand new in box Spock action figure with Leonard Nimoy's signature and blood sample on it, it's a limited edition rifle that probably won't be so limited when Savage changes their mind (like Remington and Aimpoint with their "LE/MIL Only" items), realize the 10TR is a money-maker and begin to sell it en masse to everyone.
If they really needed the money and wanted to profit from it, they should have marked uit up to $1,000 and sold it on EE, haha!
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Probably was but kinda strange that two "used but like new" TR's showed up on the shelves and were selling for $799... Someone knows when the TR's shipment got here from the states?
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Yeah, I had some unplaned expenses and tought about selling the 10 TR on order. Listed on the EE for $800 this afternoon (thats about $75 more than my cost after shipping & tax). Finally decided to keep her. Aint worth it to get PM's telling me that it's a $599 rifle them thinking I should sell it at a loss.
This is also what I was also sorta getting at. However I am not about to speculate on what a generally well respected site sponsor is doing. I think either way someone is trying to make a couple extra bucks on a good deal. And I don't think you can say there is not a LEO/MIL person that would do this, they come in all shapes and sizes, just like you and I. And I don't neccessarily blame anyone for doing this, I more blame the stupid savage policy. If you wanna give LEO/MIL a break, do it on all your firearms.
Also you don't think there is LEO/MIL out there that wouldn't buy one of these for friends and/or family? I'm sure its happened many times, which doesn't exactly make it a fair offer for everyone else.
This is why this offer is kinda dumb. If it was available at a NON LEO/MIL price also (say $700-$800), you'd be able to sell it for what you want without a hassle. And truthfully there is nothing saying you can't still do this, but people will get fired up about it for sure (free market economy?!?). I personally couldn't pay that premium for it, knowing what it sells for, but someone might still see value.
If savage offered 10% off all their firearms for LEO/MIL you think people would care? I don't.
SFRC says they have 37 units in stock for $599.00. First the gun was for sale to active LEO's and military. Now it's available to the retired. Next week who knows? Bylaw Enforcement? Mall security guards? Good marketing strategy for Savage. I hope they sell a ton of them.
You guys make me laugh...
Savage offers a rebate on this riffle for MIL/LEO.
Ryan from SFRC contacted Savage directly and asked if the rebate could be applied to retired MIL/LEO. Savage said yes!
All you guys complain about this like its the end of all...
Did you know that GM use do give a 500$ rebate to MIL when renting pr buying a new car?
Did you know that FORD gives out a 1000$ rebate to COSTCO members?
Did you know that most restaurants and services offer a 10-15% rebate to senior citizens?
Just give it a rest!!!
Savage offers a rebate on this riffle for MIL/LEO.
Ryan from SFRC contacted Savage directly and asked if the rebate could be applied to retired MIL/LEO. Savage said yes!
All you guys complain about this like its the end of all...
Did you know that GM use do give a 500$ rebate to MIL when renting pr buying a new car?
Did you know that FORD gives out a 1000$ rebate to COSTCO members?
Did you know that most restaurants and services offer a 10-15% rebate to senior citizens?
Just give it a rest!!!
Harrier .45
Regular
- Location
- Ontario, north of Toronto
16 January 2014
The Savage Model 10TR rifles that were recently sold through Ellwood Epps were rifles that were previously sold to former LEO and military personnel customer, but who, for reasons not asked or disclosed to us, elected to trade those guns back into our store. We relisted those rifles as being in Excellent condition, as both units were returned only days after the purchases were made.
There was no effort to undermine the Savage offer to LEO/military sales only on these rifles. Once a firearm is returned to our store, it becomes free and clear to be sold to any buyer, regardless of their employment history. The price of $799.00 was justified against the price of a standard Savage Model 10 Precision Carbine (cat #19626 @ $906.25 new), and a Model 10 FCP HS Precision Law Enforcement rifle (cat #18139 @ 1,212.20 new).
Yes, two lucky customers did manage to purchase those guns at very reasonable prices, and are now proud owners of somewhat exclusive Savage rifles not readily available to the general public. If additional examples do arrive in our store as trade-ins, they, too, will be posted for sale, and you, too, can purchase one of these guns, provided you are the first to contact our store to do so.
As always, it pays to keep a watchful eye on our website. You never know what might show up!
The Savage Model 10TR rifles that were recently sold through Ellwood Epps were rifles that were previously sold to former LEO and military personnel customer, but who, for reasons not asked or disclosed to us, elected to trade those guns back into our store. We relisted those rifles as being in Excellent condition, as both units were returned only days after the purchases were made.
There was no effort to undermine the Savage offer to LEO/military sales only on these rifles. Once a firearm is returned to our store, it becomes free and clear to be sold to any buyer, regardless of their employment history. The price of $799.00 was justified against the price of a standard Savage Model 10 Precision Carbine (cat #19626 @ $906.25 new), and a Model 10 FCP HS Precision Law Enforcement rifle (cat #18139 @ 1,212.20 new).
Yes, two lucky customers did manage to purchase those guns at very reasonable prices, and are now proud owners of somewhat exclusive Savage rifles not readily available to the general public. If additional examples do arrive in our store as trade-ins, they, too, will be posted for sale, and you, too, can purchase one of these guns, provided you are the first to contact our store to do so.
As always, it pays to keep a watchful eye on our website. You never know what might show up!
Imagine that; an explanation right from the source. See, if people would simply take the time to ask the right questions to the right people, they'd get the right answer. Instead of spreading rumors and hearsay, there might not be so much animosity on these forums.
Aprilia Man
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Canadian "WET" Coast (Raincouver)
I guess business is business ..... It's all about making profit!
Hmmmmm ... let see here.
Dealer sells the rifle at original price BNIB from Savage Promo for Mil/LEO for $600. For sure at this point the dealer already made money.
Rifle returns after a few days as LNIB and dealer re-sells it for $800.
Made money twice on the same gun!
I guess my top statement holds true. "Business is Business .... It's all about making profit."
Oh Well!
Hmmmmm ... let see here.
Dealer sells the rifle at original price BNIB from Savage Promo for Mil/LEO for $600. For sure at this point the dealer already made money.
Rifle returns after a few days as LNIB and dealer re-sells it for $800.
Made money twice on the same gun!
I guess my top statement holds true. "Business is Business .... It's all about making profit."
Oh Well!
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- Location
- Richmond, BC
Thank you for taking the time to post an explanation and putting this fire out. I’m sure there will be more rants about this rifle until Savage decides to release sales to everyone. I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again, it’s a break for LE/MIIL types, but at the same time, it’s a terrific marketing ploy to get the name of this rifle out there, and compete head to head with Remington’s 700 and Police models for nearly half the price.
They wanted to create interest, well, they’ve sure succeeded, with a little controversy thrown in for good measure. People have learned about the name Savage 10TR because it’s a limited, “coveted” item and when they release it for sale to everyone, it’ll go like hotcakes. The guys that are all pissed off about this rifle being sold to LE/MIL, you guys are basically working for Savage, giving them free advertising.
Thanks for enlighten us Harrier .45, I was thinking of a trade in + markup for the exclusivity and this is exactly what happened. As a few of you said, business is business and if there's a market for the 10 TR for civians @ $200 over retail each, some dealers are "smart" (the term smart may be interpreted as sarcasm depends on your point of view on the subject) enough to take advantage of it. Well played. After all, we are living in a capitalist Country!
I have one inbound right now and was sorely tempted to sell it to help cover Christmas costs, especially when a friend offered me $900 for it. I have since decided to keep it, as I want a target rifle, and this one will work just fine for now.
But a quick $250 profit had me seriously leaning that way for a few days...
But a quick $250 profit had me seriously leaning that way for a few days...
Not like the EE at all. On the EE you have sellers trying to get prices far in excess of what the identical gun can purchased for from other sources. Stupid? Maybe...until somebody who has done zero research pays that price. Who's stupid then? Caveat emptor.
In this situation, you'll see two people who aren't whining. They are the lucky two who got to purchase these rifles...rifles which would not otherwise have been available to them. I would bet good money that every one of the whiners here would have jumped on that bandwagon if they could have...I know I would have! The dealer made some profit selling them once, and then made some profit a second time? I would hope so! Pretty stupid to try and run a business any other way. The sad part is that they actually need to explain this to so many CGN members, who apparently forget that successful gunshops, like any other business, must make money. They're not charities.
And so what if the original buyers of these guns made a few bucks? If you buy a gun at a good price, keep it for a period of time (a day, a year, a decade...makes no difference), and then decide to sell it...what should you charge for it? What it's worth, obviously! These guns sold almost immediately. If they were overpriced, that wouldn't happen. The original buyers got a deal on them thanks to Savage (kudos to them...they should offer a special price on all their products to LEO/MIL), the dealer made a few bucks, the sellers made a few bucks, and the new owners are happy with the deal they got. It's a win/win/win...no downside...except, of course, here on CGN, where the philosophy seems to be "WE are not happy until YOU are not happy!"
In this situation, you'll see two people who aren't whining. They are the lucky two who got to purchase these rifles...rifles which would not otherwise have been available to them. I would bet good money that every one of the whiners here would have jumped on that bandwagon if they could have...I know I would have! The dealer made some profit selling them once, and then made some profit a second time? I would hope so! Pretty stupid to try and run a business any other way. The sad part is that they actually need to explain this to so many CGN members, who apparently forget that successful gunshops, like any other business, must make money. They're not charities.
And so what if the original buyers of these guns made a few bucks? If you buy a gun at a good price, keep it for a period of time (a day, a year, a decade...makes no difference), and then decide to sell it...what should you charge for it? What it's worth, obviously! These guns sold almost immediately. If they were overpriced, that wouldn't happen. The original buyers got a deal on them thanks to Savage (kudos to them...they should offer a special price on all their products to LEO/MIL), the dealer made a few bucks, the sellers made a few bucks, and the new owners are happy with the deal they got. It's a win/win/win...no downside...except, of course, here on CGN, where the philosophy seems to be "WE are not happy until YOU are not happy!"
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- Richmond, BC
We need more posts like this to quell the stupidity that runs rampant on this forum. Thank you.
It's interesting to see how a retailer sees the value of these rifles:
"The price of $799.00 was justified against the price of a standard Savage Model 10 Precision Carbine (cat #19626 @ $906.25 new), and a Model 10 FCP HS Precision Law Enforcement rifle (cat #18139 @ 1,212.20 new)." I ordered one of these rifles when I really didn't need one. I only wanted to get it because it was a sweet deal and hard to turn down, but the wifey just got me a Remington 700p for Christmas. I really have no business getting another black bolt action rifle in .308, but what the hell right? If it's worth $906.25-$1212.20, that makes me feel a lot better about jumping on it.
The greedy part of me will ensure I keep both, even though I really only need one.
I haven't been on here long and market drives value but this is the first time I have seen a retailer sell a riffle and then buy it back and sell for almost 25% more as used. Not saying its wrong but it is different than the regular dealer selling the same riffle once for profit then again used at less but still making a profit. All good in my books but different.
