Savage 10MLBTSS-ll Muzzleloader?
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I've got one, killed 3 deer with it this year. Longest shot was 221 yards and the other two were in that 150-160 range. It's hard to remember.
Doug's Savage board is the source for smokeless powder muzzleloading info. The first thing to do is forget everything you think you know about muzzleloading. Sabot fit is probably the most important detail with these things.
If there is such a thing as a "go to" load it would be 42-43 grains of SR4759 and the Hornady SST in MMP sabots for about 2350 fps. I've got a H4198 load that has a Barnes TMZ trucking along at 2650. Kicks a bit.
Doug's Savage board is the source for smokeless powder muzzleloading info. The first thing to do is forget everything you think you know about muzzleloading. Sabot fit is probably the most important detail with these things.
If there is such a thing as a "go to" load it would be 42-43 grains of SR4759 and the Hornady SST in MMP sabots for about 2350 fps. I've got a H4198 load that has a Barnes TMZ trucking along at 2650. Kicks a bit.
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If there is such a thing as a "go to" load it would be 42-43 grains of SR4759 and the Hornady SST in MMP sabots for about 2350 fps.
Where do you find the MMP sabots?
Where do you find the MMP sabots?
The Canadian supplier is http://www.prbullet.com/ which is a pretty decent source for Savage info by itself. MMP makes sabots that get sold under plenty of names, including those sold with Hornady SSTs in the first place. There are enough variations to get confusing. The SST were supplied with the 12's originally then they switched to the 24s to make them easier to load in dirty blackpowder and substitute powder barrels. You don't want easy, you want tight.
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Thanks Dogleg
I have one of these but I am not getting as good of accuracy as I think I should get and I was wondering if it is the sabots I have been using.
Beanstir
I have one in the stainless camo and haven't had great luck getting it to shoot well. In all fairness though I think it is more my fault than the gun. I have no back round with muzzle loaders and I get frustrated easily.
I really like the gun and I had it posted on the equipment exchange recently but I removed it as my father says he would like it. Now I have to figure out how to make it shoot.
I like shooting the smokeless powder couldn't stand cleaning the other one I had.
I have one of these but I am not getting as good of accuracy as I think I should get and I was wondering if it is the sabots I have been using.
Beanstir
I have one in the stainless camo and haven't had great luck getting it to shoot well. In all fairness though I think it is more my fault than the gun. I have no back round with muzzle loaders and I get frustrated easily.
I really like the gun and I had it posted on the equipment exchange recently but I removed it as my father says he would like it. Now I have to figure out how to make it shoot.
I like shooting the smokeless powder couldn't stand cleaning the other one I had.
I have one and am shooting 250gr Hornady XTP's, SST's, using both ez glide red sabot and Precision rifle's MMP Hi pressure black sabots with 43grains of SR4759. Couldn't be happier with the gun. Its very accurate and consistent and the ammo worked great on whitetails at 80-90 yards. My gun is the stainless, non accutrigger version and has the cheap synthetic stock. I highly recommend the gun. Restored my faith in Savage. I haven't made exact measurements, but its certainly under 2" at 100 yards and probably closer to half that.
Accuracy goes to "can't hit a barn door" if reload and shoot too fast at the range. Sabots can't take a string of fast reloads. A 2" group becomes - can't find a hole anywhere on the paper. Wait 5 minutes to reload at the range - esp. in summer.
I've been using 42gr SR 4759 and 45cal 300TXTP. I really like black Harvestor crushed rib sabots as they load easily in my gun and so far work perfect (the new red ones I find too tight although designed for smokeless). Alot more fun to shoot when you don't have to almost stand on the ram rod each shot. My son borrowed my Savage this past fall and shot a doe with it. No issues. Great gun.
I've been using 42gr SR 4759 and 45cal 300TXTP. I really like black Harvestor crushed rib sabots as they load easily in my gun and so far work perfect (the new red ones I find too tight although designed for smokeless). Alot more fun to shoot when you don't have to almost stand on the ram rod each shot. My son borrowed my Savage this past fall and shot a doe with it. No issues. Great gun.
accuracy aside, nothing but excellent results and some long shot muzzle loader kills on deer last fall. Best part is if you have the accutrigger savage rifle or rimfire already, the muzzleloader only makes sense (provided you like the trigger). the only issue i have seen with these guns is that one or two of them the rear stock bolt is a thread or 2 long and if you snug it up it causes the bolt to bind. An easy fix for an overall very accurate and solid gun.
Yes some have found problems with accuracy using "easy load" designs. But not all "easy load" sabots are the same. Harvestor crushed rib sabots are a unique design - as are other makes in their own way no doubt. They also have two close sizes for .452" bullets. The red are slightly tighter than the black. You got to give a sabot/bullet combo a whirl with your own gun to know anything for sure about how well they load and shoot. When you find a combo that works note it down and enjoy success.
I don't like "ramrod busting" pressures required to seat some combos I've used. But others find other more conventional sabots load and shoot well in their guns - great! Again - got try them to know. I've also found some sabots load OK and then get stupid hard to load without warning (fouling issues precipitate this I guess). Any Jekyl and Hyde sabot/bullet combos aren't for me. This winter I've been shooting about 20 shots at the range with my muzzleloader within a few hours usally once a month. I now enjoy shooting it - with crushed rib sabots. I'm just saying if it helps anyone else.
Can you tell I don't like breaking a sweat to load my gun?
Some people are having luck with MMPs magnum base wads under the normal sabot combination. Once it warms up a bit more I'll try that under my TMZ / 2650 fps loads. Since there wasn't a replacement sabot available to use with this boat-tailed bullet I had to knurl the bullets to get a tighter fit to get 100% ignition. This is in the pain in the butt category, and if the sub bases allow a quicker pressure rise I can get away from doing it.
Savages are capable of "poof loads" where the powder ignites but there isn't enough pressure for smokeless powder to do it's thing. I've had the powder burn noiselessly, sabot stay in the barrel and the bullet leave all on the same shot. I thought I was losing my mind until it happened again. If there isn't enough backpressure to get the smokeless burning right this is what happens. You shouldn't need a Porta-power to load your Savage, but if it isn't getting enough resistance it will tell you. Some powders are worse than others, 4227 comes to mind. It bears repeating that shooting smokeless in a muzzleloader is completely different than using Black or the substitutes.
Savages are capable of "poof loads" where the powder ignites but there isn't enough pressure for smokeless powder to do it's thing. I've had the powder burn noiselessly, sabot stay in the barrel and the bullet leave all on the same shot. I thought I was losing my mind until it happened again. If there isn't enough backpressure to get the smokeless burning right this is what happens. You shouldn't need a Porta-power to load your Savage, but if it isn't getting enough resistance it will tell you. Some powders are worse than others, 4227 comes to mind. It bears repeating that shooting smokeless in a muzzleloader is completely different than using Black or the substitutes.
