Bought a brand new savage 93r17 gvl as a birthday/ Christmas present for myself about a week ago, and was cleaning it for the first time after taking it out and putting about 50 rounds down the pipe. I had intended to just run a .17 bore snake down a few times re oil then put it away. I started breach end and began to pull through after about half the snake had passed the chamber rim it got so tight I could not pull it any further. So I reversed course and tried from the muzzle end with the same result. Then to make sure it wasn't just an over sized snake I tried a brush and rod starting at the breach again. The brush got so stuck I had to use the rod from the other end to tap it out. Weird thing is a brass jag with a patch on it passes through fine. Is it possible the ID of the bore is too small or are my snake and brush just over sized? Any help would be much appreciated
Savage 93r17 tight bore????
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Take that boresnake & TOSS IT OUT!!! There's been a couple threads now with folks stating the same findings as you wrt to the 17 cal boresnake!
The larger diameter boresnakes may be fine, but man, when you get down to the small bores, they seem to be a problem!
Cheers
Jay
P.S. ENJOY the 17, it's on my TO GET list!!!
The larger diameter boresnakes may be fine, but man, when you get down to the small bores, they seem to be a problem!
Cheers
Jay
P.S. ENJOY the 17, it's on my TO GET list!!!
yup, heard lots of stories about stuck .17 boresnakes. There is just no "crumple zone" left when it gets that small, and they tend to stick in MANY bores. There is lots more squish in larger bore sizes, but for the small ones, I have a hard time in some of my .22 bores.
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My 17 bore snake is pretty tight as well especially after a few hundred rounds. I dont clean mine that often anymore though but I found whether its 50 round or 1000 its all the same. I only clean when accuracy becomes a problem now and that hasnt happened in 500 rounds shot since i ran the snake down it
What about the bronze brush? It was so jammed I had to tap it out backwards from the muzzle, I know brand new brushes in brand new guns can be a little tight but this physically will not pass through. Should a take it back to the dealer and get the bore measured? Or is there that much variation in actual brush diameter that one might be too big while another would fit?
i found this as well with my new savage mark ii .22 the weight on the snake would not go all the way through so i just got the rod and patch out and soaked that thing realy good then ran it through then the brush and then the snake worked no problem.
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I just "broke my barrel" in today on my 93r17 stainless. Used a bore snake as well, had to do a quick google search on stuck bore snakes and found its normal for the snake to be very tight through the .17hmr. I found it works well if you hold the rifle with the muzzle pointing to the ground and step on the skinny brass string and that will pull the snake through easier. Make sure you use a cleaner product on the first floss section, it seems to help as well. Also it seemed to get easier after the 4-5th time through.
Only shot around 50 rounds, man I really like this gun!
Only shot around 50 rounds, man I really like this gun!
That procedure will also get you a "cord worn" condition at the muzzle. The British issued a pull cord with a weight attached to clean barrels on the Lee Enfields. Careless cleaning practices, that is, pulling the cord through the barrel from breech to muzzle, tended to wear the rifling at the crown, causing inaccuracy. This is because it is almost impossible to hold a rifle with one hand and pull the cord STRAIGHT through the barrel, thus the cord wears on the rifling at the muzzle. When the cord is dropped through a barrel that is dirty, the cord can pick up dirt, glaze, metal particles and unfired powder, which can act as an abrasive and wear on the rifling, especially at the muzzle.
The problem with the smaller bores is, as mentioned, there is little room for patches or cleaning materials to compress, thus they are more prone to jamming something in the bore. It is best to clean the smaller bores with a rod, and forget the Bore Snake.
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.17 Boresnakes work well... BUT, you have to "break-in" the snake first... as someone above noted, as the bore gets smaller there is less room for fibers to "squish." To break-in the snake put it in a zip lock bag, spray in some gun oil and then work it good... roll it between your hands etc... (yes the bristle brush will puncture the bag)... take it out and stretch it good, then ball up a clean rag in your hand and draw the snake through the rag while squeezing it as tightly as you can... repeat as required... what you are doing is breaking down the fibers of the snake, basically creating a "worn" condition... It will pull through relatively easily, but remember that you want the snake to be fairly tight. P.S - your bore is not tight on your gun... I am assuming that since the gun was new, the snake was also and bronze brushes are made to go in ONE direction only... if you hesitate, turn it against the grooves or attempt to reverse directions inside the bore they WILL get stuck... particularly in small bores, where there is less room for the bristles to bend. Also, there is no reason to cause muzzle or crown wear using a snake... the trick is not "over-pulling;" as you draw the snake through, readjust your hold on the weapon by sliding your hand up the barrel toward the muzzle... this will keep you from over-reaching and drawing the snake out at an angle.
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I found as I held the rifle vertical with the muzzle pointing down I was able to position the rifle so the boresnake came out near perfectly straight, while I was guiding the snake straight into the breech with my top hand.
Worked well for me.
The other thing I found out it you really dont need to clean a 93r17 that often. I got no problems running the snake through every once and a while. Sure beats rod and patches for me!
Worked well for me.
The other thing I found out it you really dont need to clean a 93r17 that often. I got no problems running the snake through every once and a while. Sure beats rod and patches for me!
