Savage 99 - Rebore a .308 to .358?

Here's a few things to consider about Corey's idea.

First of all, as posted earlier, the 35-300 Savage has been done before. There really is nothing new under the sun. Not sure who posted it here first, but I like the suggested name, 35 Cowboy. All in favour say, "AYE!"

Next, factory 35 Remington ammunition gets around 2000 fps from Marlin rifles with 20" barrels. Directly from their website, SAAMI shows the agreed performance level for factory 200 gr to be from 2050 fps-2200 fps at from 35,000 to 37,200 CUP. This is the standard for factory loading of this cartridge.

Now, the SAAMI pressure standard for the factory loading of the 300 Savage is 46,000-48,900 CUP. This is not only 10,000-12,000 CUP higher than the 35 Rem, but in a case that has only slightly less capacity, about 4 grains, than the 308 Winchester.

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This is why the factory 300 Savage 150 gr load was able to duplicate the original 30-06 military load of close to 2700 fps. Neat!

Consequently, the 35 Cowboy is able to be safely loaded in stronger brass, that is of greater case capacity, and to higher pressure safely. The end result, as we all understand, will be somewhat higher velocities, certainly far above factory 35 Rem.

As well, Corey's Cowboy will most likely have a 22 or perhaps a 24 inch barrel, getting even higher velocities than the 35 Rem in a 20 inch barrel.

The fly in all this ointment, of course, is that reasonable men would just rebore a 308 to 358 for several obvious reasons,.......... but then, that would be boring.

:popCorn:

Ted
 
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Let's see how this will go. Donor Savage 99 in .300 Savage (has to be somewhat decent condition) 500.00 Then shipping to and from a smith to do the work 120.00. Having the re bore and chamber cut/ done ? I have no idea but 200.00 or 300.00 may be in the ball park but low I bet. Set of dies milled to .35/300 125.00 including the dies? Adding decent sighting system to rifle after the fact 300.00 (using glass not iron) I can see about 1200.00 investment pretty quick. I am not condemning the idea I am showing the cost. I have been longing for a 98 in 8mm-06 build for a long time now and that is the near number I come up with every time. It is just too rich for my blood when I fire 1 or 2 rounds at deer a year. I will have to stick with my old 6.5 for now.....

Darryl
 
Let's see how this will go. Donor Savage 99 in .300 Savage (has to be somewhat decent condition) 500.00 Then shipping to and from a smith to do the work 120.00. Having the re bore and chamber cut/ done ? I have no idea but 200.00 or 300.00 may be in the ball park but low I bet. Set of dies milled to .35/300 125.00 including the dies? Adding decent sighting system to rifle after the fact 300.00 (using glass not iron) I can see about 1200.00 investment pretty quick. I am not condemning the idea I am showing the cost. I have been longing for a 98 in 8mm-06 build for a long time now and that is the near number I come up with every time. It is just too rich for my blood when I fire 1 or 2 rounds at deer a year. I will have to stick with my old 6.5 for now.....

Darryl

Invest now to get in on the ground floor and I'll let you take it moose hunting next year ;)

Cory
 
I know if I just wait a little longer (deer season close) my mind will drift back to water fowling and shotguns. I need to resist this wild cat rifle "need" that I think I have. Darn this thread it is calling me back to the completely unreasonable 8mm/06 idea I harbour. Darryl
 
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mt143, I purchased a Husqvarna commercial m98 8x57mm from Tradeex for $350 with a VG bore. I chose to re-chamber to 8mm-06AI so bought the reamer from PT&G for $160. The re-chamber job by my gunsmith cost $125, so I was into it for a total of $635.00. Choosing the standard 8mm-06 is a great option too, I just like the coolness of the AI cartridge.
 
I know if I just wait a little longer (deer season close) my mind will drift back to water fowling and shotguns. I need to resist this wild cat rifle "need" that I think I have. Darn this thread it is calling me back to the completely unreasonable 8mm/06 idea I harbour. Darryl

Darryl, my first wildcat was an 8mm-30-06 Improved. It was a surplus Mauser 98 and Earl Leach rechambered and made the dies for it. I ordered a cheap semi-inletted stock, and several boxes of 225 gr RN bullets from Herters, and was happier than I had ever been shooting.

You can't imagine the satisfaction I had in owning it. I was 21 years old, and used it for everything from groundhogs to moose. AFAIK, it is still going hunting every Fall up near Kirkland Lake.

Come on, my friend, Why not?
Ted
 
Those numbers are a little better but add in excessive Canada Post shipping charges and tax for us guys who have no handy smith and it gets to 1000.00 quick then it has to be scoped. So like I said it is too much for me.

Darryl
 
I've been thinking about doing the same with my 300 savage with a lousy bore. The only difference is mine is a take down version. This should even be easier as the barrel unscrews by hand. Also thought it would be neat to have 3 different barrels in 35 cal, 30 cal and one in either 284, 264, or 257. Or go with the 250/3000 but I'm not sure if it will feed from a 300 savage magazine.
 
Those numbers are a little better but add in excessive Canada Post shipping charges and tax for us guys who have no handy smith and it gets to 1000.00 quick then it has to be scoped. So like I said it is too much for me.

Darryl

Darryl, you guys have a barrel maker not too far from you, Steve Holborn. He rebores, as well as makes new barrels. The postage should be less than $100, total both ways, for a barreled action.

So, $100 for postage, $250 for the rebore, and $30 for a set of used dies. That's less than $400, all in, and no stock alterations needed.

As for your 8mm-06, if you really want to have one, I will partner with you on the project. A nice light German sporter has been sitting in the safe so long I have forgotten how good or bad it is. Let's say not more than $200 delivered for the rifle. It needs the stock repaired, and IIRC has a decent, but not as-new, bore. It would not have to be rebored, that's for sure!

Spoke with two skilled machinists today who work in the same shop. They are both hunters, and both said the easiest way to get the die set would be to anneal the original, open the neck to the desired diameter using a good sharp drill, and polish smooth after drilling. I'm sure you would be able to do that yourself.

They also said that considering the amount of reloads one would expect to make for a hunting rifle over the next 20 years, that they would not bother to re-harden the dies, although it would not be difficult if one wanted to.

Ted
 
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I've been thinking about doing the same with my 300 savage with a lousy bore. The only difference is mine is a take down version. This should even be easier as the barrel unscrews by hand. Also thought it would be neat to have 3 different barrels in 35 cal, 30 cal and one in either 284, 264, or 257. Or go with the 250/3000 but I'm not sure if it will feed from a 300 savage magazine.

Reboring was a common fix for rifle bores many years ago, hart, because it was much less expensive than a new barrel installation. It still is, and has the additional benefits of not needing any stock fitting done when it comes back home, and you get to keep the sights and any other barrel fittings that may be on the rifle. The 35-300 Savage was just one, and I stll haven't found that one round I have kicking around here.

I have also seen 35s on the 30-30 and the 303 British case, and was recently told by Jim at CH4D that they have, of all things, 35-303 Savage die sets in stock. That is really stretching thins, as the 303 Savage brass is quite hard to find.

Over the years I have had a number of rifles rebored and rechambered, and every one shot at least as well as in the original chambering. One of the most accurate is a 7mm Rem Mag that was rebored and chambered to 358 Norma Mag by Ron Smith.

There is a fellow up here who has two 375s on the 303 British case. Kind of a 38-55 on steroids. Not sure who did the boring, but they are certainly accurate.

As for your thoughts about the 250 Savage, the 250 Savage Ackley Improved will feed from a 300 Savage with a rotary magazine. I know, because PO himself re-barrelled a 300 take-down for me at least forty years ago. My guess is the standard 250 might be a bit sloppy, but should feed as well.

Ted
 
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Appreciate the ideas and offer Ted but I just can't see spending that kind of money on a one off rifle. I have done the math over and over and I still come up with 1000.00 +or-. Plus scoping and a Timney trigger plus tax plus shipping the price keeps climbing. I used to chase these ideas not being totally honest to myself about the costs but lately I have actually figured out the cost and most times it is not worth it to me. Last winter I had a choke opened on a 16 gauge Winchester pump. ( no one any where near me does 16 gauge shotgun bore work) From the actual invoice the total was 168.95 the actual work was 85.00. The rest was HST and shipping. These are the cruel hard cost facts. I only shipped the barrel and it was from model 1200 28" long.

Darryl
 
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