Savage action vs R700 action.

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For a custom what would you rather and why?

Personally there both good. I like the free floating bolt face of a savage, stock target trigger and body of the savage lrpv actions. R700's are solid and simple but require a smith to install a barrel.. However, as long as that gun plumber is good with the lathe you will have a problem free accurate setup.

What's ur input?
 
For the do-it-yourself types, the Savage is easier to work with.

For myself, I prefer to engage the services of a known good 'smith, so the 700 gets the nod.

Both actions can be made to yield very accurate results with a good barrel,

Triggers? I personally hate the accutrigger, so no contest there, IMHO.

If the smith trues up the 700 boltface, the "floating" bolthead of the Savage becomes a moot point.

Yes, I prefer the 700, but just so you know, I own 3 Savage rifles, two with custom barrels.

Possibly the fact that I own 20+ 700 actions will get things in perspective. lol. :)

Regards, Eagleye
 
Since I'm on a budget buying a prefit or having a prefit made for a savage it's more economical for me. I could do the head spacing myself. Savage action is so easy to swap calibers maintenance is easy. Plenty of aftermarket parts available however trigger selection isn't as great since SSS stopped exporting their triggers imo the best single stage trigger for the savage.

If i had machining skills i wouldn't hesitate to buy a Rem and do the work. But truing an action and getting a barrel fitted and cost start to add up not to mention having add the cost to ship the thing back and forth to a Smith. For economy savage has the win.
 
If I had to pick one of the above it would be Remington. However if you are going to build a custom rifle, why not buy a custom action?
 
It continues to surprise me the regard people now have for Savage. The features cited as attributes on these actions were actually born from a means of ease and economy of manufacture. The floating bolt head was not incorperated in the design of this action as purely an accuracy enhancement, rather a a means ensuring reasonable lug contact and squarness( not a word? Lol) to bore in less than perfect reciever dimensions. Look at how many parts make up a Savage bolt FFS, compared to a Remmy. 20 years ago to speak of Savage actions and Remington actions in the same context for a build would have been laughable. Funny thing is there is nothing different about the actions from then till now... only the perception has changed. I am not a die-hard Remington proponant but do feel they are a far superior foundation to base a build upon.

I think Savage has clearly done an excellent job marketing a new image to new shooters, while Remingtons recent quality woes have served to weaken its image among the internet shooting community.

Ummm.... So yea, Remington:)
 
How times change....

Savage was a pretty poor product years back and it took them to bankruptcy. The reborn Savage came at this QC from a view of the shooter. Their rifles were not only made better, they started offering features that shooters actually wanted.

You can market till the cows come home but if the product does not perform, it will not sell. Sales at Savage have surged since the rebirth due in large part to the holes in paper many many many shooters have made. Out of the box, Savage rifles now garner a stirling rep for a reasonably priced factory rifle. And you see these reports on a GLOBAL basis.

How often do you see a factory rifle on the line at a big F class match? The only ones I have seen have been Savage.

HOW the Savage receiver is made has impressed even some die hard US gunsmiths. For a time, their action runout was near match quality. Can you get a dud, of course. That is simply the problem with mass production. But Savage has retooled to make the QC as good as can be at a moderate price.

In fact, they have done so well at this, they have literally changed how rifles are produced in order to retain both price AND performance.

The up side is that the many quirky build steps that Savage uses to reduce costs and streamline their production have no downside to making a gun shoot. Arguably, it helps. Now that the sales are talking, other companies have looked, reviewed and copied these same steps. Why not? Better rifle for less everything and consumers are gobbling them up at staggering rates.

The factory Savage bolt lift can best be described as clunky. But proper bolt timing and this becames a joy to use.... better then what many Rems can be tuned to.

The triggers are really very good especially for a hunting weight pull. Like it or not, the Accutrigger IS the new standard for a factory trigger. Think of that tab as a first stage.

For match shooting.... at least F class, go to any match and you will see many Savage or Stevens now being used. They aren't there to just fill the roster. They are competitive.

We build many Rem custom hunting and competition rifles so I have no dislike for them at all. I also offer a wide range of parts to support the Savage and compete with one.

But the philosophy and budget of each "brand" is markedly different and appeals to different customers.

As shooters understood what the Savage could offer them AND the aftermarket stepped up to offer quality products, the synergy has grown to include some very large brands/manf.

If sales and copying are a true measure of success, Savage is at the top of the heap... today.

Who knows what will dominate tomorrow?

YMMV.

Jerry
 
How can you say that as I am unaware of any in Canada?

It might not be all that bad.

Hopefully, Rem will have cleaned up some of their production issues and come out with a clean slate product. They certainly need a solid product if they are going to keep with the competition.
Jerry
 
How can you say that as I am unaware of any in Canada?

It might not be all that bad.

Hopefully, Rem will have cleaned up some of their production issues and come out with a clean slate product. They certainly need a solid product if they are going to keep with the competition.
Jerry

I handled the new Rem. at SHOT. In a word...CHEAP.

You make some good valid points athough perhaps slightly biased. Maybe there would be other capable factory offerings on the firing line if other manufacturers marketed one of their heavy barreled rifles as an "F class" rifle as Savage does? Again, kudos to Savage as they clearly have their finger on the pulse of the shooting community.

Anyway, didnt mean to turn this into another Savage/ Remington grudge match :)
 
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I handled the new Rem. at SHOT. In a word...CHEAP.]


The funny thing is you probably regard the Savage as "CHEAP" also. The Savage community will likely take it in with open arms if we can get remington 700 level aftermarket and prefit match barrels.

Just doesn't make sense to spend the extra cash for a remington action so you can spend more to true it then spend more to have a barrel fit by good smith. It's not like all this extra cash is making it shoot better then the rebarreled Savage so why? Better aftermarket selection maybe?

And what other factory rifle comes with a benchrest forend, 30" barrel and a trigger that one can tune to less than a pound? Thats why Savage is the only one showing up stock at F Class.

Savage for the win....at the moment. This new Rem has me interested though...better have a look at one.
 
It's a pretty nice feature that with a quality vice, a set of hardwood blocks, a barrel nut wrench, and a headspace gauge you can do a barrel swap in an hour and fire a group like this. Good omen not a good group, Random reload though.

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Mr. Target say's Savage!
 
This is a little off topic but could a person install the barrel nut system on any given action? I know you can go that way with Remington, not sure whats all involved though.
 
This is a little off topic but could a person install the barrel nut system on any given action? I know you can go that way with Remington, not sure whats all involved though.

Yes a Remington can be converted to a prefit barrel & nut system Jerry has some experience with this. Don't know what the results were like though. All its required is a nut prefit barrel, nut wrench go gauge, barrel block and a vice.
 
This is a little off topic but could a person install the barrel nut system on any given action? I know you can go that way with Remington, not sure whats all involved though.
Yes a Remington can be converted to a prefit barrel & nut system Jerry has some experience with this. Don't know what the results were like though. All its required is a nut prefit barrel, nut wrench go gauge, barrel block and a vice.

You could probably remove the leather seats from a BMW and install cloth ones from a Hyundai as well......
 
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Well Oil Beef Hooked.... :runaway:

Chevy vs. Ford ?
9mm vs. 45 ACP ?

Buy what works for you !

Buy what works for your tweaking level of comfort!

And lastly, buy what works for the LCF - Look Cool Factor! (and then prevention of #### loss) :nest:

Cheers all! :wave:

Barney
 
You could probably remove the leather seats from a BMW and install cloth ones from a Hyundai as well......

I hate leather, makes my butt all sweaty. It's not a bad match though. Hyundai cloth seats, BMW chassis. now that would be a nice ride. Savage action and match barrel.

marcoman your making our argument for us!!!!! Hurray for marcoman!!!!

I use to haul cars, you know a Genesis is a really nice ride. Good is good, bottom line, unless your concerned about resale...

Although the truth is I'm nickle and diming my way to restoring my Tikka Sporter. In the car comparison I have a 2002 Alpina and I'm still paying for the engine.
 
I hate leather, makes my butt all sweaty. It's not a bad match though. Hyundai cloth seats, BMW chassis. now that would be a nice ride. Savage action and match barrel.

marcoman your making our argument for us!!!!! Hurray for marcoman!!!!

I use to haul cars, you know a Genesis is a really nice ride. Good is good, bottom line, unless your concerned about resale...

Although the truth is I'm nickle and diming my way to restoring my Tikka Sporter. In the car comparison I have a 2002 Alpina and I'm still paying for the engine.

LOL :)

I have a V8 from a 08 BMW 550i in my garage at this very moment.... should make that little 2002 move along nicely! Interested? ;)
 
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