savage action vs weatherby action vs other?

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im trying to decide what rifle to get. looking to get the one with the strongest action. im just woundering if the barrel nut on the savage weakens the action or make its stronger? also how does it compair to the weatherby action. i do prefer the savage action but im going for the stronger actions. thanks.
 
whitetailwoodsarcher said:
im trying to decide what rifle to get. looking to get the one with the strongest action. im just woundering if the barrel nut on the savage weakens the action or make its stronger? also how does it compair to the weatherby action. i do prefer the savage action but im going for the stronger actions. thanks.
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The barrel nut does not weaken the action, nor does it make it stronger. Both actions are strong and safe even with hot handloads. I would not say one is stronger than the other and both have proper gas venting in the event of case head failure.

Why on earth would one action being slightly stronger than the other have any bearing in your decision to buy? Buy whichever one is smoother to you, the savage is easier to build off of because of the barrel nut and the greater aftermarket.
 
The rifles are plenty strong for the cartridges they are being chambered for, regardless of brand.

If you have plans to do a conversion of some kind, then there are other factors involved.
 
thanks for the help. reason im want the one with he stronger action is because i a big fan of things that are over built and will put up with alot of abuse! i think ill go with the savage!
 
It's probably a safe bet that both of them are built to withstand far more pressure than the cartridges for which they are chambered can produce. An engineer might be able to conclusively state that one is slightly stronger than the other, but it's much more important to get the one that feels right to you. For what it's worth, I have always been a big fan of Savage rifles and feel that they are a better value for the dollar than a lot of competitive brands. Having said that, my experience with the newer Weatherby Vanguards (2 originals and 1 S2 model) is so positive, especially with the S2, that I would definitely go with another one if I were looking for a general-purpose bolt-action hunting rifle in that price range.
 
I wouldn't call a savage action over built, they use as little metal as possible in the front receiver ring, that's the reason they had to beef up the action to handle 338 lapua. If you want the strongest, stiffest action you can get it should have a flat bottom which are usually forged, a one piece bolt , a proper claw or m16 style extractor like the Howa 1500 aka Weatherby Vanguard.
 
Was watching the show guns of mauser and they talked about the mausers form that war being able to stand up to 100,000 psi without causing damage to the gun or shooter
 
Regarding: Savage vs Weatherby vs Other actions ..

IMHO .. the Savage is a very accurate, cheap action ..
the Weatherby Vanguard (or Howa) is a very accurate, inexpensive action ..
and as for other? Well, I have opted for Sako actions. The Sako is a very accurate, expensive action.

Cheap, inexpensive, or expensive .. its your money and your choice.

However, often you can find high quality used rifles in very good condition ..
for about the same price as a new cheaper quality action .. at the CGN Equipment Exchange
 
I vote for the Weatherby Vanguard. I don't know that it is any stronger, but it is a great action for the price, decently smooth and decent trigger out of the box. I like my 30-06 so much that I bought another in .243.
Kristian
 
I've got 2 vanguards. One S1 sporter in wood in 308 and a new S2 sythn in 223. Love them both. Will be purchasing a 7mm rem mag or 300 win mag in an S2 in the future as well.
I looked at the savages when I was in the market for the 308. The S1 IMO was smoother and better made then the savages in the same price range. I also got the S1 on sale for $450 from $700 right before the S2 came out so it was a real no brainer.

Karl
 
-Savage- said:
Regarding: Savage vs Weatherby vs Other actions ..

IMHO .. the Savage is a very accurate, cheap action ..
the Weatherby Vanguard (or Howa) is a very accurate, inexpensive action ..
and as for other? Well, I have opted for Sako actions. The Sako is a very accurate, expensive action.

Cheap, inexpensive, or expensive .. its your money and your choice.

However, often you can find high quality used rifles in very good condition ..
for about the same price as a new cheaper quality action .. at the CGN Equipment Exchange
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in that case i dont follow you the weatherby howa is a Sako action well a copy but a sako action ....
 
I think it depends on what caliber you're going with as well, not to mention budget. Weatherby actions (at least the Mark V 9-lug actions) tend to be built for big bastardly magnum cartridges. I'm not familiar with the Vanguard actions, or if they are similar, but the OP only said Weatherby.

I'm in the exact same boat, trying to decide whether to build a custom off my Savage M11 or Weatherby Mk5. From what I understand from people vastly more knowledgeable than I, the Weatherby action is built like a tank, triggers can usually be safely lightened to <2 Lb, and are good platforms for magnum cartridges on the bigger end of the caliber spectrum (300 Wby mag and up). That said, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a Savage action, right out of the box they are among the most accurate rifles (even setting aside the considerably lower price tag on them!), have a vast aftermarket support, only beaten out by stand-by's like the Remington M700's, gunsmithing is easy (you can replace/headspace your own barrels if you so choose with minimal tools), etc.

This recommendation has zero factual/scientific ground, but IMO if you were building a rifle up to .300 in a magnum caliber size, you'd be silly to go anything other than Savage in this case for ease of parts/smithing and price. Any of the larger/more punishing variety calibers, and the Weatherby action might be more suited for the task. Either one will make a fine rifle in any case (no pun intended), so the choice is yours.
 
medvedqc said:
in that case i dont follow you the weatherby howa is a Sako action well a copy but a sako action ....
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First of all, I did not say that the Sako action is better than the Weatherby/Howa action; I merely indicated that it is more "expensive".

Secondly, your statement that the Weatherby/Howa action is a copy of the Sako action is correct. In fact, some time ago, I posted that exact information on a different thread:

-Savage- said:
... the Howa is actually a direct copy of the Sako Finnbear rifle, with receiver and barrels made using machines imported under license from Sako
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Cheers!
 
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