Looking for a first long-ish range rifle that won't break the bank. Ive seen these go for under $400 new, add a scope for another 500 and would it really be all that bad?. Forgive my newbieness to the distance game but what is the difference between one of these and more expensive but still cheap rem 700, savage 10, 11 etc. rifling the only difference? Thickness of barrel make over $1000 of difference? How smooth the bolt slides foreward and back isn't worth spending thousands of dollars to me either, neither is bragging that my machining of parts is world class. All meaningless. What I care about is does it hit things accurately (up to 500 yards, 2.5" groups) Using the same ammo would results with the axis xp be any worse than more expensive offerings?
Savage axis xp- cheap and gets the job done?
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hometownhero
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I have an axis in 223rem. Put in a timney trigger and dropped it into a boyds stock. Vortex viper 4-16x50 and it shoots very good with the right hand loads. With all savages the barrels all come from the same bin doesn't matter if its on a $1500 gun of a $300 one none get a ungraded barrel because of the price. The only thing with the axis is there isn't as many custom goodies like the other actions. Slowly stuff is coming though.
That's exactly what I was thinking. The aftermarket is quickly growing. Why spend 1000+ on an fcp 10 when it's basically the same thing (I said basically, obviously the fcp is higher quality). What I'm hoping is mdt or similar will make a tactical stock for it one day, and until then I can hunt and plink out to 500-600 without issues
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There is nothing wrong with an Axis for a hunting rifle, but if you want to put alot of rounds downrange, and possibly upgrade the gun to a more tactical/target application then the Axis is not a good choice.
Really it is not ideal to have one gun for both applications either IMHO.
A tactical/target rifle is better served with a heavier barrel, and stock, both help recoil, and the heavy barrel allows you to put more rounds down range without having to worry as much about barrel heating/cooling. This gun will also require a higher power optic, which again is heavier and bulkier. All of this makes for a poor hunting rifle due to the weight and bulk.
A hunting rifle(like the Axis) is better served with the lighter weight barrel and stock for carrying, and a lower powered scope for better field of view, making it easier to pick up a moving target quickly. Problem is that stock is flimsy, and can cause issues off a bench if it puts pressure on the barrel, and the barrel being so thin will heat up quickly requiring lots of waiting for it to cool.
Best advice I can give you is, do not cheap out on anything to do with guns, and there really is no "one gun to do all".
Really it is not ideal to have one gun for both applications either IMHO.
A tactical/target rifle is better served with a heavier barrel, and stock, both help recoil, and the heavy barrel allows you to put more rounds down range without having to worry as much about barrel heating/cooling. This gun will also require a higher power optic, which again is heavier and bulkier. All of this makes for a poor hunting rifle due to the weight and bulk.
A hunting rifle(like the Axis) is better served with the lighter weight barrel and stock for carrying, and a lower powered scope for better field of view, making it easier to pick up a moving target quickly. Problem is that stock is flimsy, and can cause issues off a bench if it puts pressure on the barrel, and the barrel being so thin will heat up quickly requiring lots of waiting for it to cool.
Best advice I can give you is, do not cheap out on anything to do with guns, and there really is no "one gun to do all".
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- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
There is a world of difference between a FCP and an AXIS.
1) barrel contour/weight
2) stock
3) accutrigger
4) oversized bolt handle
5) "quality" detachable mag
6) aftermarket support
It will cost you a lot more than the retail price difference to get an Axis to anywhere close to a 10 FCP, and it is likely not even possible as their is no aftermarket available for the Axis right now.
. Would definitely agree there. Having said that, I have numerous short range guns to feed my rapid and ammo hungry trigger finger. I would be primarily getting a long range gun to put a few rounds a year through it. Definitelly not dedicate any range outings full to it. So for this purpose it would serve me well correct?
Another offering is the mossberg night train. Heard the scope sucks horribly bad that comes with it. But as a rifle I wonder how it stacks up to the axis... I somehow think the axis is a better gun as mossberg tends to be the mcdonalds of gun manufacturers haha
Let me rephrase- the axis is essentially the same as the fcp in the sense that it throws the same calibre bullet at the target and puts it in CLOSE TO the same place. Barrel contour and weight, bigger handle to grab onto (a wash for me as I can grab any handle and operate the bolt) trigger etc aside.
hometownhero
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The stevens 200 is another option its a 110 action and is $350. The accutrigger sucks imho. I will be so happy to rid my model 14 of that. I can make it malfunction all day.
hometownhero
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Here is bob's class axis build
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...y-budget-precision-rifle-FIRST-F-CLASS-EVENT-!
Jerry form mystic was also selling his bench rest axis for $650 If i remember right.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...y-budget-precision-rifle-FIRST-F-CLASS-EVENT-!
Jerry form mystic was also selling his bench rest axis for $650 If i remember right.
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- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
But why?
Unless you can manufacturer such a stock yourself you have no options for a heavy bench style stock.
With a Stevens 200, or Savage 10 you have a world of options and it will only cost you $100 more!
You guys are trying to talk yourselves into thinking this is a good option. I have learned when you have to do that, it usually is not a good option!
Like I said I have nothing against the Axis for what it is, but buying one thinking that it is a good candidate to upgrade in the future is just ridiculous.
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Again? Seriously?
Everything said about the Axis applies to the Ruger American as well, except that the American costs more.
It is a hunting rifle with no aftermarket support.
If you want a hunting rifle go for it, either will serve you well, but don't think for one second this is a good option for any type of target work.
hometownhero
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The stevens 200 is a savage 110 action so everything for the 110 will fit the stevens 200.
What about it? There is nothing at all for that gun in the aftermarket.
What about it? There is nothing at all for that gun in the aftermarket.
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- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
Stevens 200 comes in either a long or short action.
Long action is same gun as a 111 hunter, and the short action is a 11 hunter.
I would pay the little extra and get the 11 Trophy Hunter XP combo with the Weaver scope and detachable mag. Good hunting rifle set up.
If you are thinking of swapping stocks, and barrels to make a target gun, then I would just save the mney and buy the 10 fcp or a 10 precision carbine. Shoot the hell out of it, then think about upgrading the barrel later.
Stevens 200 would be a far better choice. And yes, it's available in a wide range of calibers.
Stock for stock, my Stevens had a better trigger out of the box and it is minorly adjustable. Stock is better (still not amazing, but miles ahead of the axis), action is smoother, and just generally feels better. If you plan on changing anything, there is no reason not to go with the 200 over the Axis as well. The Stevens in a SA caliber is also actually a short action, where as the Axis has a one size fits all receiver.
This is all really basic stuff though, there is a ton of information on this platform.
The Axis is a decent entry level hunting rifle. Mine was actually quite accurate, and an excellent deal for the price. However everything on the Axis feels exactly what you expect from the price tag. As a platform I would say it's better as an "it is what it is" gun, at most I would say drop it into a boyds stock and throw a trigger on it (however it would probably be better left as is, and just trim the trigger spring a bit). If you want a decent cheap walk around hunting rifle, then it's not a bad choice, if you want a long range rig, I would say there are better choices, it's never going to have the full aftermarket support of other platforms.
And there's a big difference between an Axis and a factory heavy barreled Savage offering. Caliber is practically the only similarity.
Stock for stock, my Stevens had a better trigger out of the box and it is minorly adjustable. Stock is better (still not amazing, but miles ahead of the axis), action is smoother, and just generally feels better. If you plan on changing anything, there is no reason not to go with the 200 over the Axis as well. The Stevens in a SA caliber is also actually a short action, where as the Axis has a one size fits all receiver.
This is all really basic stuff though, there is a ton of information on this platform.
The Axis is a decent entry level hunting rifle. Mine was actually quite accurate, and an excellent deal for the price. However everything on the Axis feels exactly what you expect from the price tag. As a platform I would say it's better as an "it is what it is" gun, at most I would say drop it into a boyds stock and throw a trigger on it (however it would probably be better left as is, and just trim the trigger spring a bit). If you want a decent cheap walk around hunting rifle, then it's not a bad choice, if you want a long range rig, I would say there are better choices, it's never going to have the full aftermarket support of other platforms.
And there's a big difference between an Axis and a factory heavy barreled Savage offering. Caliber is practically the only similarity.
hometownhero
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I'm going to buy an axis. Then I'll put a timney trigger in it. Next comes a Boyd's stock. Wait a minute, didn't I just spend as much as much as I would have to buy a higher quality gun in the first place? Crap, I did.
What I'm trying to say is the axis is a fine gun for what it is but sinking money into one to make it compete with a Savage 10/110 or Remington 700 is pointless IMO. It's like sinking money into a V6 mustang to run with a GT, just buy the GT. (If mustangs are what you're into)
What I'm trying to say is the axis is a fine gun for what it is but sinking money into one to make it compete with a Savage 10/110 or Remington 700 is pointless IMO. It's like sinking money into a V6 mustang to run with a GT, just buy the GT. (If mustangs are what you're into)
