Savage Mark II : Fails to extract

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Hi,

I just bought it brand new, Mark II F bolt-action. I tried it at the range yesterday with CCI Mini-Mags and the extraction is failing on almost every round. The brass is stuck really hard in the chamber (I had hard time pulling it out with my fingers)

What could be the problem here? I though that be it might the high-velocity ammo and the fact that CCI round as a thin copper layer which cause the round to expand to much and get stuck.
 
Did you disassemble and clean the metal parts with brake clean or something similar then reassemble and lube before shooting it? That includes disassembling the bolt and cleaning and lubing it also.
 
I have two brand new mark II's a G and an F they both have this problem after 200 ish rounds. My BV doesn't do this. The only thing I can think is savage may have ever so slightly changed the measurements of the chamber?? A quick chamber scrub amd they are good to go again...

My bv is about 3 years old with low round count and it doesn't hiccup....
 
I haven't done a detailed investigation but I did notice this...
The casing is grabbed by the extractor upon closing the bolt with a verification by opening and observing.
After the shot the same round will not extract or be grabbed by the extractor. You have to use a small screwdriver to remove the casing. I though it had more to do with crappy construction of the Winchester ammo where the brass maybe distorts around the rim. Seemed the Blaser and Remington always extracted with no issues.
 
Machinegon said:
Well that sucks. I though a bolt-action .22 would be more reliable than this.
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They usually are! Savage makes a fine .22, and it should outlive an owner...

As suggested already, did you give it a good cleaning? Inspect your chamber for gunk, or imperfections. Also make certain your extractors are clean and clear. A brand new rifle might be stiff for a while, but shouldn't be so frustrating. Other than cleaning, don't do a thing to a new rifle...just bring it on back.
 
My BTVS feeds and ejects everything I put into it. Excellent rifle.

OP; try polishing the chamber with a wood dowel wrapped in 00 steel wool. Keep the drill speed low and check the results every 30 seconds or so.
 
camster said:
They usually are! Savage makes a fine .22, and it should outlive an owner...

As suggested already, did you give it a good cleaning? Inspect your chamber for gunk, or imperfections. Also make certain your extractors are clean and clear. A brand new rifle might be stiff for a while, but shouldn't be so frustrating. Other than cleaning, don't do a thing to a new rifle...just bring it on back.
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Alright, ill make it shine and try it again with different brand of ammo. Let's hope this will fix it.
 
I had the same problem with a brand new .22. I solved my problem by polishing the chamber wit a q-tip, an electric drill and some metal polish.
 
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There is also the real possibility of Operator error. The Savage Mark II bolt has TWO different pieces in it that are used when a case is extracted. These are the RIGHT and LEFT extractor parts. The RIGHT one has a HOOK on it, while the LEFT one has a more rounded "hook." Both help to pull the empty case backwards but when the mouth of the empty case exits the chamber, the left extractor lets it go around the rounded "hook" while the right side, still holding the rim, pulls the case to the right ejecting it.

When people take the bolt head apart, they sometimes get these two ejectors mixed up, and the case does not extract or eject.

Also, with mass produced stamped parts, there is sometimes a bit of a burr left on the part from stamping it out. Check for a burr on the extractors and the firing pin. A couple of minutes with a small pocket hone or stone will give much more reliable functioning.

Does the LIVE cartridge come back with the bolt when it is chambered and NOT fired? EVEN part way, say 1/4 inch or so? There can be several causes of a failure to extract, so it is better to provide more information as to just WHAT is happening, and WHERE it is happening, and WHEN it is happening. In this I mean if you were to load a live round from the magazine as the rifle is designed to do, then SLOWLY open the bolt and SLOWLY pull the bolt back, does the live cartridge come back with the bolt and eject, or does it stay in the chamber? Then, try this on the range and fire one cartridge, going through the same procedure. Then, try it with a different brand of cartridges. It is a process of elimination.

If it does not extract a live cartridge, then check the extractors as outlined to see that they are in the proper places. If they are, then it is possible that (1) there is dirt in the extractor groove in the barrel not allowing the extractor grip the rim, (1) the hook on the extractor is broken, or (3) there is not enough space between the inside grabbing part of the extractor and the bolt face. For the last (3) situation, it might be a burr on the extractor, or if not enough clearance, a few strokes with a fine tooth file will probably cure it. Be careful and only do about 3 strokes and try it -- it does not take much. More of a polish than metal removal.

If it does EXTRACT the live cartridge, but does not EJECT it, then the extractors are probably reversed with the rounded one on the right side of the bolt and the hooked one on the left side keeping the cartridge either on the bolt or weakly dropping it to the bottom of the receiver.
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I had a similar problem with a new savage MII. Every other round and then some would fail to extract. Called warranty and they said send tbe gun. Knew it was a problem with the extractor. But they wanted me to send the gun. Replaced the extractor and what difference. Now ever case is extracted. There was a considerable difference between the 2 extractors. Couldn't tell the difference until the 2 extractors were side by side. So order a new extractor and your problem will be solved.
 
I am having the same issue. I have cleaned it several times, tried a few types of ammo and it still gives me problems. I like the gun but it sounds like this may be a quality control issue.
 
I'd take the bolt apart and clean the extractor slots.

Very easy to do and allows inspection of all parts.

Also some steel wool with some oil wrapped around a .22 brush in a short cleaning rod in a drill will polish up the chamber a little.
 
I found my Mark ii had problems extracting empty cases of high velocity rounds. Standard velocity wasn't too bad, the odd one here or there, but not terrible.

I bought the rifle used, so I gave it a better cleaning than I originally did where I spent more time in the chamber with a brush to get out any fouling. I also took apart the bolt and cleaned up the extractor slots and ran a stone over the extractor edge to knock off any burrs that might be there. As well, I snugged up the spring that wraps around the bolt by closing/bending it a bit by hand. After doing this I took it to the range and put about 100 rounds through it without trouble.

Lots of different pages to check out if you Google it, which is where I found several recommendations to tighten up what is assumed to be a weakened spring.

It's a fairly common problem but seems fairly easy to remedy as well.
 
If it's a new gun and the dealer is close, I'd never modify a new gun to try and remedy a problem it shouldn't have. Take it to the dealer you bought it from for a refund/exchange if possible. If that's not convenient...or you feel like tinkering...I think most of the bases have been covered in this thread. Personally, I'd rule-out everything else before polishing the chamber, since I've personally never had an issue with a rough chamber...and I've had some pretty shi**y 22s! :)

I'd be giving the gun a thorough cleaning, paying special attention to the bore, the bolt face, the extractors (inside those "hooks") and the indents they fit into. Allot of crud can build-up in those areas, regardless of how clean/dirty a particular 22 ammo is.
 
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