Savage Mark ii Failure to eject... this seems like a specialized case...

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Hello guys,

I have an interesting problem....

I am getting failure to ejects on my savage mark ii fss. The bolt is extracting the fired cartridge from the chamber every time but the case is failing to come off the bolt. Basically the extractors are not releasing the case after the bolt has been pulled fully reward.

I have taken apart the bolt, cleaned and oiled the extractors. Nothing seems out of the ordinary. I did a quick polish but I am still getting cases stuck to the bolt when pulled fully reward. The u spring is very tight so i don't think that is the issue.

I have tried different ammo (federal bulk (worst), cci blazer, mini mags) and am still having the same problem with all of them. It is a brand new gun. I figured maybe it was a break in period problem but after 500 rounds it is still terrible.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to solve or at least improve the issue?

Thanks in advance!
 
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Did you, as 99.9% of the owners who get a new rifle seem to do, "just take it apart to clean it?" The Savage Mark II has two extractors which look the same, but are not. If you have taken them out, and get the right side one, (the one with the sharper hook on it) into the left side of the bolt and the left side one, (the one with what looks like a hook, but is a bit more rounded at the back where it grabs the rim of the cartridge) on the right side of the bolt, then failures to eject will occur.

The rounded "hook" on the left side extractor just sort of keeps the cartridge in place while it is being extracted. When the empty cartridge rim hits the ejector when the bolt is opened, this rounded "hook" allows the rim to slide past and out of the left extractor, while the sharper "hook" on the right extractor keeps holding the rim and then throws the empty case out of the rifle receiver.

Due to mass production and stamped parts, it is sometimes necessary to polish the "hook" on the left hand extractor for better ejection and functioning. If you have to do this, polish the sharp edges of both extractors and the firing pin by laying a sheet of fine emery paper on a desk top and moving the parts over it while pressing down, then round off the edges slightly. A stamped out part sometimes leaves a sharper, burred edge on a part due to slightly worn dies or punch, so one side of the part has sharper edges than the other. Just polish the parts enough to smooth them up, but not enough to change the dimensions of the parts.
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buffdog said:
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Did you, as 99.9% of the owners who get a new rifle seem to do, "just take it apart to clean it?" The Savage Mark II has two extractors which look the same, but are not. If you have taken them out, and get the right side one, (the one with the sharper hook on it) into the left side of the bolt and the left side one, (the one with what looks like a hook, but is a bit more rounded at the back where it grabs the rim of the cartridge) on the right side of the bolt, then failures to eject will occur.

The rounded "hook" on the left side extractor just sort of keeps the cartridge in place while it is being extracted. When the empty cartridge rim hits the ejector when the bolt is opened, this rounded "hook" allows the rim to slide past and out of the left extractor, while the sharper "hook" on the right extractor keeps holding the rim and then throws the empty case out of the rifle receiver.

Due to mass production and stamped parts, it is sometimes necessary to polish the "hook" on the left hand extractor for better ejection and functioning. If you have to do this, polish the sharp edges of both extractors and the firing pin by laying a sheet of fine emery paper on a desk top and moving the parts over it while pressing down, then round off the edges slightly. A stamped out part sometimes leaves a sharper, burred edge on a part due to slightly worn dies or punch, so one side of the part has sharper edges than the other. Just polish the parts enough to smooth them up, but not enough to change the dimensions of the parts.
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^^ What he said.

I took my wife's apart and took the bolt apart in the process and when putting it back together happened to notice that there was a slight difference in the extractor's. I managed to figure out which was which, but had it together the wrong was first and had the exact same problem that you are having.

Try taking the bolt apart and switching the extractors then stick a spend cartridge in and see if it will extract it.

Hope this helps...
 
Thanks for the responses guys. I regards to the extractors, i did not originally disassemble the rifle and bolt. just simply ran a patch through and oiled the bolt a little. The extractors are installed correctly with the sharp black one on the right and the rounded silver one on the left. I guess i will have to take it apart and see if i can smooth the extractors a bit better. I will keep everyone updated once i can get back out to the range and see what the results bring....
 
Mark i am not familiar with what you are talking about in regards to the ejector being bolted down? mind explaining or pointing me in he right direction?
 
abms1 said:
Mark i am not familiar with what you are talking about in regards to the ejector being bolted down? mind explaining or pointing me in he right direction?
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The ejector on my pre-E model Mk.II is attached by being screwed to the bottom of the receiver along with the rest of the trigger group and magazine well. It sticks up through a slot in the receiver to its operating position. If you didn't take things apart then it should be fine.


Mark
 
Ok guys so after I re-took apart the bolt, finely polished the extractors up nicely.......

Still getting lots of failures (50%) to eject off the bolt face after being extracted from the chamber. Something that I did notice however, is most of the cartridges seem to ride up on top of the ejector that is screwed into the bottom of the receiver as Mark said. I would think that the cartridge is supposed to hit the ejector perpendicular, not in a "riding up" motion. You can all se the slight wear on the ejector from the brass riding up on top of it. It was also apparent to me that it seems as though there is a big space between the notch in the bolt and the ejector. Yes the bolt face is dirty.... just cause I struggled to put a few hundred rounds through. It was perfectly clean to start.

So guys what is my next course of action??

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The ejector in my wife's MK II fills the slot in the bolt for it as does the one in my TR. Is there a large gap when the bolt is pushed forward over the ejector or is the gap in the pic just from having the bolt all the way back? It could be that the ejector is bent downwards slightly.
 
There is still a very large gap in the bolt when it is pushed forward over the ejector. So it would make sense that the case should hit the flatt part or the ejector perpendicular to the rear or the case? Oh and by the way, i falied to mention the cases that do eject do so very weakly.
 
abms1 said:
There is still a very large gap in the bolt when it is pushed forward over the ejector. So it would make sense that the case should hit the flatt part or the ejector perpendicular to the rear or the case? Oh and by the way, i falied to mention the cases that do eject do so very weakly.
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That would probably do it. As I said the ones in both MK II's I have here more or less fill the slot in the bolt with wiggle room only. It seems like the ejector you got is defective or bent. One may also have to shim underneath it to bring it up to the proper height. But yes the shell should be hitting that ejector square on the base as it pushes the shell forward popping it out of the one arm and causing it to eject forcibly.
 
Thanks for confirming that freyr. Any idea if the ejector can be readjusted if I pull the action from the stock?

My instincts are telling me probably not and it is going to be a nightmare getting savage or the seller (p&d enterprises) to fix this problem. Either way I'll be giving p&d a call tomorrow and see what they can do for me.
 
abms1 said:
Thanks for confirming that freyr. Any idea if the ejector can be readjusted if I pull the action from the stock?

My instincts are telling me probably not and it is going to be a nightmare getting savage or the seller (p&d enterprises) to fix this problem. Either way I'll be giving p&d a call tomorrow and see what they can do for me.
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I've heard good things about both P&D and Savage so it shouldn't be too much hassle to get fixed.

I'm not sure if the ejector can be adjusted as I've never done it and one would have to know if yours is to factory spec or defective in some way. I'm thinking it's likely a defective part rather than an adjustment as I gather they bolt directly to the receiver so distance is fixed. Shimming under it would be an easy fix if that is the case as one can do that with brass from a centerfire cartridge easily enough(slice and dice). That's what I use to shim my scope bases. :D
 
abms1 said:
Thanks for confirming that freyr. Any idea if the ejector can be readjusted if I pull the action from the stock?
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I would think that it should be easy to bend it up a bit if you pull the action out and remove the screw holding it in place to get at the ejector directly; it is just a small piece of stamped sheet metal. FWIW, my ejector also mostly fills the slot in the bolt on my older Mk.II action.


Mark
 
mmattockx said:
I would think that it should be easy to bend it up a bit if you pull the action out and remove the screw holding it in place to get at the ejector directly; it is just a small piece of stamped sheet metal. FWIW, my ejector also mostly fills the slot in the bolt on my older Mk.II action.


Mark
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My only concern with that is that I am bending a peice that was supposed to be to factory spec in the first place. Which will potentially void my warrantee if other issues arise ( with my luck that will happen). Do you remember if it is simply a hole in the ejector or is there a slot in which it could be shifted up and down along the screw?
 
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Is the rifle still under warranty? How far are you from the Dealer who sold it to you? If the rifle is still under warranty, then if you fiddle with the ejector yourself, it will void the warranty. However, there have been other instances of this problem reported on various gun forums, and some people have VERY CAREFULLY used a rod and small hammer, bent the ejector back upwards slightly. From the pictures it should not take much but a case of TAP gently and close the bolt. Keep at it until the ejector is up further in the slot in the bolt, but know when to stop. It probably only needs to go up about 1/16 inch or so, and does not need to hit the bolt when it closes over it, there should still be a gap at the top.

A small movement upwards of the ejector should be quite possible, but be aware that you are on your own when you do it. If there is a Gunsmith in your area, it might be best to take it to him.
 
The rifle is definitely under warrantee. I just bought it brand new 2 weeks ago. Never really had much of a chance to shoot it the first week and figured maybe it's just in its break in period.... Wrong! So obviously the best course or action would be to bring it back to the dealer to have it sent away rather than me having to fiddle around and risk potentially breaking something. Only problem is that I'm currently 500km away. Haha.
 
abms1,
I just looked in my MkII FV-SR and the ejector is a stamped piece that is held on by the 2 bolts between the mag and the trigger. They are round allen head and are tapped on the inside, your rear action bolt goes in one. If you take the action off the stock you can easily see if it is bent but it looks like it would be hard to bend by accident to me. I think you maybe have a defective one. It looks really easy to replace so I would just phone Savage Canada, ht tp://www.profilecanada.com/companydetail.cfm?company=138562_Savage_Arms_Canada_Inc_Lakefield_ON and see if they will just send you a new one and replace it yourself.
Kim
 
elimsprint said:
abms1,
I just looked in my MkII FV-SR and the ejector is a stamped piece that is held on by the 2 bolts between the mag and the trigger. They are round allen head and are tapped on the inside, your rear action bolt goes in one. If you take the action off the stock you can easily see if it is bent but it looks like it would be hard to bend by accident to me. I think you maybe have a defective one. It looks really easy to replace so I would just phone Savage Canada, ht tp://www.profilecanada.com/companydetail.cfm?company=138562_Savage_Arms_Canada_Inc_Lakefield_ON and see if they will just send you a new one and replace it yourself.
Kim
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Kim, if your rifle is still apart mind snapping a few photos? And I agree with you from what I see it would be very hard to bend that peice without really smashing something. Which should never have happened on a brand new rifle. So ya Definately a defect.

Regardless, an update for everyone else, called p&d. They have nothing in stock to replace it and their distributor is also out of stock. Recommended sending it to Ontario for warranty. Called there. It will be 6-8 weeks. They want to charge me for shipping. Total joke. Sofar p&d however have been very helpful.... We will see if they are willing to pay for the shipping if it ends up coming to that.

I very much like your idea Kim. I was looking for the Canadian phone number so I could talk to someone that knows what is goin on ( the Americans were clueless other than telling me to call their warranty service centers). So thank you Kim for the link.

I will keep y'all updated.
 
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