Savage Mk II BTVS or Ruger 10/22 Target SS

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I just recently got my first gun, a Norinco HP9 12ga. Now I want to get into target shooting at the range and it looks like a .22LR is the way to go. I really like the wood stock w/ stainless steel heavy barrel look and would like to spend around $500 or less. Of these two choices, which would you suggest for a novice shooter and why?

p.s. I'm not opposed to buying it elsewhere, I just happened to have Cabelas website bookmarked.
 
I love my 93R17 BTVS (the bigger brother in 17HMR) & paid $399 at P&D.... Can't go wrong with that!

Also have a few Rugers - I wouldn't bother with the heavy barrelled one - takes away from the handiness of the design.

Frankly - if you just want to make the most precise shots you can stick with the boltgun, if you want to burn through ammo - the Ruger.

I find that its easy to make precise shots when I know that there is no "Super quick second shot followup" available.
 
So is it that the Savage is the better choice? Or just that a bolt-action is inherently more accurate? I ask just because it seems like there are a lot of 10/22's out there...

Low(er) cost and small groups are what I am after.
 
I sold my target stainless 1022 as soon as I started caring about group size. Building one doesn't seem to be what you are after. For what you've chosen for options and budget and what you want the savage is a clear winner here.
 
Ok, Savage it is. Thank you for the input.

Sooo, next question: Looks like I can get the BTVS in .22 LR, .22 WMR or .17 HMR. Obviously the .22 LR will be the most economical. What are the pros and cons of the other two calibers vs. the .22 LR and which would be best for a novice shooter?
 
MKII or 10/22 own both. MKII for sure.. The 10/22 is fun to shoot and is quite accurate but just too tempting to keep pulling the trigger instead of concentrating on the basics skills of shooting.

Question 2. 22LR
 
lol, no rodent problems here so it looks like .22LR is the winner. Does the higher velocity of the .17HMR offer better accuracy? Even if it does, is it enough to justify the extra cost?
 
typical 17hmr speed is about 2400fps, typical cheap 22lr speed is 1250 fps. 17 is pretty much twice as fast, and about 4-5 times more per shot, unless your shooting stingers, which is about half the cost of 17, and about 2/3 the speed not half. there for if you do go .22lr you can shoot cheap slow stuff or the stingers which are 1700 fps, a much better target round.

faster round = straighter trajectory, more accuracy, further range.
 
Go with 22lr, all sorts of ammo choices out there depending on what you're after.

And no, faster doesn't mean more accurate. Look at the match ammo from SK, etc. Usually slower rounds translate to better accuracy over the hyper vel stuff. Of course, there is no one ideal round, you just need to try a bunch to see what your particular rifle likes.
 
thegrandpoohbah said:
Ok, Savage it is. Thank you for the input.

Sooo, next question: Looks like I can get the BTVS in .22 LR, .22 WMR or .17 HMR. Obviously the .22 LR will be the most economical. What are the pros and cons of the other two calibers vs. the .22 LR and which would be best for a novice shooter?
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The .22LR is far cheaper to shoot than the other 2, lots of choices in ammo.

The WMR is far more accurate at longer range. My 93BTVS will shoot under 1 inch at 100 yards easy with CCI 40gr JHP. The ammo is far more expensive than LR.

The HMR shoots a bloody laser beam, can leave a 1/4 inch group at 100 yards. The ammo is comparable in price to the WMR, however the light weight bullet is affected by the wind a lot more than the the WMR at longer range. I rarely have an opportunity to shoot my 93R17 due to the usual amount of wind at my range.

Between the LR, WMR and HMR, I would go with the WMR. I also love the BTVS stock, one of the nicest feeling and fitting stocks I have ever handled.
 
Just for some illustrations:

This is about as good as my 10/22 Target Tactical has done at 50m. Without the flyer that is about as good as I could ever get despite trying all kinds of ammo.

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Now with the Savage MKII at 50m I was amazed on the very first trip to the range. I had a bunch of different kinds of ammo to test, and they all shot as good or better than the 10/22, but the CCI Standard Velocity made me fall in love.

This was the best group of the day.

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And one with a flyer.

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And it does pretty well at 100m as well.

10 rounds, 7 of which found there way into a pretty impressive group for a .22. ;)

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mlehtovaara said:
I had a tactical target heavy barreled 10/22.

Had being the key word there. :p

Once I bought my MKII, and saw the groups it was capable of, the Ruger was sold. ;)
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OHHH.. triple X2 on this comment. the 10-22 that i "had to have" lasted a little over a month before it was flogged in disgust. In all fairness, I am thinking it was a factory lemon, as in something wrong with the barrel, as i have had the opportunity to shoot many others since

But now i have a Savage MK II, and it is worth every penny. v.v. happy. I like to play at 100 yds with the 22's, and the savage can do it

good shooting!
 
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