Savage Model 10FP

Get the 700 VSF or 700P if you want a platform in which to build on. While the Savages are generally good shooters, Remingtons have better aftermarket support and arguably, resale value. A VSF is light years ahead of the VTR at only a marginal increase in price. Much better finish to boot.

If you're going to buy a Savage get the 10FP with McMillan offering. You can buy a less expensive model and upgrade it later but you'll do so at extra cost. The McMillan stocked rifle is the best way to fly if considering this approach.
 
Consider the 12BVSS. A very nice stock for shooting prone/bipod, or bench. Once bedded and with handloads 1/2 min should be possible. The 223 will let you launch 75gr Amax and Bergers which are great bullets for all distances.

The 12FV is a great platform IF you don't mind mucking about with the stock. Easy enough to do and will save you some coin. The difference in price is less then getting a lam stock later so not a bad investment if you like the style.

I have tried the HS stock on the FP. VERY NICE shape. Again, cheaper then trying to find one later. But they don't come in 223 if that is important to you.

The accuracy potential of all rifles is the same.

As for aftermarket toys, in short order, ready to install barrels will become readily available. So will trigger groups if you want a nice light pull.

There is no doubt that the Rem has enormous amount of toys but the Savage allows you to do most of the work yourself....if desired.

No matter the choice, just go get it with some reloading gear and start shooting. All the questions you may have about brand or rifle type will fade as you start burning powder and smiling for days afterwards.

Jerry
 
I have a 10FP in .223, I got rid of the factory plastic and put it in the Choate Ultimate Varmint ( also plastic but called synthetic when you pay extra ) which adds stability and wieght + better ergonomics. This is a very cool looking ( see one for sale on EE in .308 for the visuals ) and very accurate set-up. It probably isn't quite enough for matches ( needs match barrel + maybe some additional bedding ? ) but is more than enough for very accurate days at the range or fun matches with friends ( mine is close but possibly not quite a half moa rifle with 69g SMK's ). Overall, I am very satisfied with the rifle and have no mods at all other than the aftermarket stock ( which some hate and others really like so you must choose for yourself on that issue ).
 
Get the Savage 10FP - anyone that you can afford, later you can upgrade the stock, if you wonder how it will shoot, I've got .308 look back at my Silverdale trips pics :D

I'm sold on Savage/Stevens actions

thanx to Mystic and his article, I've been drooling to build me a neat stick with Stevens action, and will do that this winter :)
 
mysticplayer said:
(Re: 12BVSS, .223 with 1:9 twist) The 223 will let you launch 75gr Amax and Bergers which are great bullets for all distances.
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Jerry,

You've got me confused on this point.. it's my understanding that a barrel with a 1:9" twist is not consistently capable of shooting bullets larger than 70gr accurately. Have you tested 75gr from a 1:9" Savage barrel? I've been considering the 12VLP with 1:7" in order to shoot past 600 yards with 70+gr bullets.

-- Stephen
 
Davidf said:
OK Still rethinking this.

What's the general impression of the Savage Model 12 VLP?
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I am very happy with my 12 VLP. I found one in .223 with 1/7 twist barrel so it should be good to go with the heavier bullets. The laminate stock is quite nice but I dropped it into a Bell&Carlson stock as soon as I took it out of the box. The B&C stock would be a huge improvement over the basic plastic stock on the Savage's.

Here is a pic of my .308 10FP McMillan (top) and my .223 12VLP.

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Here is my 12VLP after I installed a Falcon Menace scope.

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Cheers!
 
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TFunfer said:
Here is my 12VLP after I installed a Falcon Menace scope.

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Cheers!
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What kind base and rings(height) do you have on it?



Lojak said:
TFunfer,

Out of interest, what type of Bell & Carlson stock did you use, and which rail?

-- S.
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The Bell and Carlson stock is #2999 Tactical
Check out rifle-accuracy.com as they ship the stocks to Canada and for a great price...I'm getting mine this week! :)
 
mr.rhtuner said:
The Bell and Carlson stock is #2999 Tactical
Check out rifle-accuracy.com as they ship the stocks to Canada and for a great price...I'm getting mine this week! :)
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For which Savage model? I ask because the 12VLP has a detachable box magazine, and the B&C #2999 does not appear to have the cutout for the magazine. I could be wrong, but from the pictures that doesn't appear to be the case.

-- S.
 
Lojak said:
For which Savage model? I ask because the 12VLP has a detachable box magazine, and the B&C #2999 does not appear to have the cutout for the magazine. I could be wrong, but from the pictures that doesn't appear to be the case.

-- S.
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Sorry, I'm guessing I left out a few things.

This is right from rifle-accuracy website:

#2999 Savage Model 10, Heavy Barrel, with or without Accu-Trigger, Short Action Only (Model 10,11,12,16,ect..)
 
Hi all,

The stock is a Bell & Carlson Medalist #2999 (Vertical grip tactical style). My 12 VLP did not come with a detachable mag, so I am not sure about the new ones. The base is a Ken Farrel 20 MOA. The rings are Burris XTR Extreme 30mm. IIRC they are the medium height rings as the Farrel base is quite tall. I would have to check though as it has been awhile since I have had this rifle out of the safe.

Cheers!
 
Lojak said:
Jerry,

You've got me confused on this point.. it's my understanding that a barrel with a 1:9" twist is not consistently capable of shooting bullets larger than 70gr accurately. Have you tested 75gr from a 1:9" Savage barrel? I've been considering the 12VLP with 1:7" in order to shoot past 600 yards with 70+gr bullets.

-- Stephen
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I have shot a few 9 twist Savages and have heard lots of others having zero problems launching 75gr Amax and bergers into the wild blue yonder. Furthest that we have pushed these rifles is one mile. I figure that is far enough.:dancingbanana:

I think the 9 twist problems started with Rems. Don't think they are a true 9 twist or maybe the Savage are faster then 9. Anyways, I know the Savages work just fine.

The 7 twist will let you launch 80gr Amax/Berger which are my personal favorites for super LR shooting.

Most will never shoot their 223's far enough to notice a difference.

ALL centerfeed Savage short actions have a difference bolt spacing and WILL NOT work in the old gen stocks. If your rifle came with a detachable mag with a bottom release, you need to confirm the spacing. Same goes for new gen Stevens.

Except for the HS, McM stocks on the Savage factory rifles, there are precious few stock makers who have converted to this new style of spacings. Confirm before buying as it is causing all manner of head aches to shooters.

I believe Choate is converting now. Maybe B&C. Lam stock makers can usually change easily but precious few makers are set up for LEGAL export.

Jerry
 
mysticplayer said:
I have shot a few 9 twist Savages and have heard lots of others having zero problems launching 75gr Amax and bergers into the wild blue yonder. Furthest that we have pushed these rifles is one mile. I figure that is far enough.
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Thanks for the info Jerry! In Ontario we've only got a few long distance ranges, almost all are military bases and access is through the Ontario Rifle Association. For myself, that means that I'd like to use a .223 that can accurately shoot up to 1000 yards. Can I expect that from a Savage barrel with a 1:9" twist with a 69gr or is a 1:7" better from your perspective? 6mmbr.com suggests the 1:7" is better for LD shooting, but there is so much BS out there, I want a solid second opinion, and I trust yours.

-- S.
 
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