Savage Model 12 Palma
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KazimierThe owner of a Shop called "Powderkeg Shooters Supply" in BC here is a very good F-Class shooter.
He has been campaigning this past season in F-Restricted with a stock Savage Palma rifle and it shoots like crap. Now... I KNOW Savage makes better rifles than that, but it proves yet again that factory rifles are a crap shoot. Some are terrific and some are crappy.
This particular rifle fell into the latter category.
He has been campaigning this past season in F-Restricted with a stock Savage Palma rifle and it shoots like crap. Now... I KNOW Savage makes better rifles than that, but it proves yet again that factory rifles are a crap shoot. Some are terrific and some are crappy.
This particular rifle fell into the latter category.
maple_leaf_eh
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I was told that the young man who won the DCRA MACDONALD STEWART GRAND AGGR. prize this year, started target shooting with a Savage Palma rifle. As his scores improved, the NRA High Power shooters noticed that his rifle was limiting his upward performance. So, the word went out and a benefactor got him a real target rifle.
1. BACHAND,KELLY,KENT,WA.USA 824v80 (he dropped 6 points on 166 shots over 17 matches) [HPS 830v166]
1. BACHAND,KELLY,KENT,WA.USA 824v80 (he dropped 6 points on 166 shots over 17 matches) [HPS 830v166]
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Barrels, Barrels and more Barrels.
I have never shot a factory Savage that after the usual basic improvements did not shoot sub MOA.
I have never shot a Factory Savage that would AGG under 3/8min at 200yds. Remember, this not the best group but the average group.
So accuracy is a relative thing. If your best scoring ring is 2MOA big, a factory rifle will be a laser beam.
If it is 0.8min with a 0.4min Vbull and you better shoot a fair number of these, that Savage is going to be a real dud. Remember that we need to have a cushion of error cause we will make mistakes due to conditions. Competitive F Open rifles shoot in the 2's and low 3's AVERAGE at 300m.
An MOA rifle on an MOA target requires a perfect condition read to score a clean score. Don't know of a single F or palma shooter that is even remotely close to being that good under match conditions.
If you like the layout of the Savage rifle, go for it. Have fun and practise. When you are ready to get serious, spin on a quality match barrel and you are off to the races.
Everything is already there...except the barrel.
Jerry
I have never shot a factory Savage that after the usual basic improvements did not shoot sub MOA.
I have never shot a Factory Savage that would AGG under 3/8min at 200yds. Remember, this not the best group but the average group.
So accuracy is a relative thing. If your best scoring ring is 2MOA big, a factory rifle will be a laser beam.
If it is 0.8min with a 0.4min Vbull and you better shoot a fair number of these, that Savage is going to be a real dud. Remember that we need to have a cushion of error cause we will make mistakes due to conditions. Competitive F Open rifles shoot in the 2's and low 3's AVERAGE at 300m.
An MOA rifle on an MOA target requires a perfect condition read to score a clean score. Don't know of a single F or palma shooter that is even remotely close to being that good under match conditions.
If you like the layout of the Savage rifle, go for it. Have fun and practise. When you are ready to get serious, spin on a quality match barrel and you are off to the races.
Everything is already there...except the barrel.
Jerry
I see a few of the F-TR models being used but if the Palma is the one with the 1 inch barrel. I would not like the balance for Palma. I would probably be left with just the action and trigger for Palma / TR use, so a Barnard-P would be my choice.
One way or the other, I have to give full credit to Savage for being innovative enough to put an honest effort into producing purpose-built target guns at a good price. I reccommend them to many new target shooters. There are good and bad in every product. I still think Savage target guns are a great platform for starting, and many are actually exceptional shooters.
it is just too bad that Savage, Remington et al, have never embraced the idea of teaming up with a custom barrel maker and producing sub 2 grand rifle with a top grade barrel on it to allow newcomers to get started with winning off-the-shelf equipment.
I am still convinced that While Team Savage does use factory equipment, they do get hand-picked equipment. I know that Savage pulled out all the stops to ship out a broken stock to one of their team members at Bisley.
it is just too bad that Savage, Remington et al, have never embraced the idea of teaming up with a custom barrel maker and producing sub 2 grand rifle with a top grade barrel on it to allow newcomers to get started with winning off-the-shelf equipment.
I am still convinced that While Team Savage does use factory equipment, they do get hand-picked equipment. I know that Savage pulled out all the stops to ship out a broken stock to one of their team members at Bisley.
Ok, I have to clear this one up. Savage sent no-one on our Team a stock at Bisley. Back in May, they sent the Team guys new stocks for all of the rifles. The only reason for that was the fact that all of the workers at Savage (from the engineers to the production line guys) had got together and signed 4 stocks with all of their names as kind of a send-off for the World Championships.
We hear the "hand-picked" argument plenty. I barreled the rifle I took to Worlds in the course of a factory visit to Savage 2 years ago. I pulled the barrel off a pallet of several hundred myself. The receiver was still one of the older ones, not the C&C new generation ones (like the Palma).
As regards the Savage Palma rifle, I ran it in the US National Championships last October and placed 3rd. The rifle was bone stock, and I'd had it less than 3 weeks prior to the match. To be fair, I do not shoot in TR Class, I was shooting in the F-Class Nationals, but if the accuracy is sufficient to place that well on the F-Class target, it should do fine on the larger TR target. I cannot speak to balance in a sling, etc., only accuracy.
Darrell
