Savage No.4

woodchopper said:
yup thats a good one to restore, and you have the rear barrel band already :D those are getting harder to find.

No2 bolt head, also getting hard to find, so check your headspace it may be that someone who didn't know what they were doing just put that one on.
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That rear band is one of the reproduction parts and is unfortunately not original to the rifle. Either I use it or I try to find a real one.
 
Blastattack said:
That rear band is one of the reproduction parts and is unfortunately not original to the rifle. Either I use it or I try to find a real one.
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Repro rear band or just not stamped? I haven't seen any with a stamp on them, don't know if that part would have any stamps. Would be very hard to find one stamped with a Savage S. (If you find any, I'll take 3 please!) The safety lever marked M47C is from a No 4 made by BSA-Shirley .
 
I would imagine that it is repro. When I bought the stock it came with a little box of parts, all of which are in absolutely pristine condition without a single mark or marking on them. They seem far too pretty have been made over 60 years ago. They also all have a bead-blasted matte finish, and I was told that the screws are threaded for a standard thread. Would the rear retaining ring be marked at all? Or will any Enfield retaining ring pass muster? And while we are on the topic of parts, to be 100% correct I wish to have all Savage parts. Where there any different variations of bands, safety parts, upper handguards or butt-stocks I need to look for to make the rifle period correct? Or will any S marked part fill in for the missing pieces?
 
Restoration should be period correct. Look at other rifles that are with in the serial number range for detail. From my experience working on these over the years....... Handguard rings are not marked by maker..a correct one would be blued verus parkerized or painted. Stock bands for Savage are unique in that they were sheared and formed....both are marked "S". Check the front tang of your trigger guard....it would be marked "S". Missing from you rifle is the correct MK1 micrometer "S" small aperature rear sight...cost is $150 - 200 however it's a key feature on the rifle. Check the front sight protector...should be marked "S" ...looks like a brit from the profile. You need Savage wood on this. Post pictures of what you have for wood and I'll tell you if it's close and/or correct. Ron
 
Blastattack said:
I would imagine that it is repro. When I bought the stock it came with a little box of parts, all of which are in absolutely pristine condition without a single mark or marking on them. They seem far too pretty have been made over 60 years ago. They also all have a bead-blasted matte finish, and I was told that the screws are threaded for a standard thread. Would the rear retaining ring be marked at all? Or will any Enfield retaining ring pass muster? And while we are on the topic of parts, to be 100% correct I wish to have all Savage parts. Where there any different variations of bands, safety parts, upper handguards or butt-stocks I need to look for to make the rifle period correct? Or will any S marked part fill in for the missing pieces?
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I see some with a square-style S (large and smaller variations), some with the S inside a square box. I don't know when they changed or why. I'll take some pics and post later. Somebody else may be able to say if there is a variation in rear rings? I don't expect too many people would be able to tell the difference.
Vince
 
rgg_7 said:
Restoration should be period correct. Look at other rifles that are with in the serial number range for detail. From my experience working on these over the years....... Handguard rings are not marked by maker..a correct one would be blued verus parkerized or painted. Stock bands for Savage are unique in that they were sheared and formed....both are marked "S". Check the front tang of your trigger guard....it would be marked "S". Missing from you rifle is the correct MK1 micrometer "S" small aperature rear sight...cost is $150 - 200 however it's a key feature on the rifle. Check the front sight protector...should be marked "S" ...looks like a brit from the profile. You need Savage wood on this. Post pictures of what you have for wood and I'll tell you if it's close and/or correct. Ron
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WOW Ron- are you saying my $135 sporter has a $150-200 rear sight on it? I think a Woo Hoo is in order!
 
If it's the correct "S" marked MK1 small aperature sight ("S" will be on slide, elevation stem and ladder body)...."yes it worth that much"...most are Bri'ts..large aperature with markings like "F", "B" etc. There right up there with the 1941 Long Branch MK1 sight and early round knob cocking piece. Ron
 
Savage bands

Here's a couple of pics of front and middle bands- one pair with small "S" and one pair with Larger S- I don't know which is early or late. Came from E-bay recently, seller still has some listed (UK)
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And here are a few pics of the sight on my 1C - Squared "S" on front and side,and top of dial wheel, , and a circle on the back with squared"S" inside.
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So, I've managed to track down some appropriate bands, but am having a little trouble with the stock-set. My understanding thus far is it should be walnut, low cut for cut-off, grooved rear hand-guard, and everything should be Savage marked. And speaking of markings, where would they be located? From what I see on the internet, the fore-stock and front hand-guard should be S marked on the metal caps, and the butt-stock on the wrist where the butt meets the receiver ring. But where does one find the appropriate marking on the rear hand-guard?
 
Stock should be "birch" not "walnut". The rear handguard is marked with an "S" inside the barrel channel. Probability getting a grrove one is slim to none...solid is more likely. You correct on the rest of the markings. Magaine should have folded bottom with "S on spline and follower. Ron
 
Here's a hypothetical: Supposing I get all the correct Savage hardware (magazine, safety parts, barrel bands), how much effect would non-Savage wood and buttstock components have on value compared to having a complete and correct all Savage rifle?
 
You've got an early rifle there...if you don't put the correct components on it then it's just a restocked Enfield. I'd say it willl affect value by at least 50%. Ron
 
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