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So there is a lot of debate about Savage vs. Remington, Savage vs. Weatherby, and Savage vs. everything. I have been looking into the 12FVSS in .308 for quite some time now. I know there are a couple of you guys who have them because it's not exactly an easy gun to find. I have weighed the options of the crappy stock (mine will not be a stock stock for long) and the customizability compared to the Remington 700 and still love the Savage.
My question is this, how has your gun treated you? If you changed the stock which stock did you change to and did it change the accuracy. What kind of scopes are you using? I'm specifically wondering about the .308's but all calibers in the model are welcome because I know it isn't the most common gun out there.
 
Have a BTVSS in .223, is the first center fire gun I've ever owned. Love it. 1/2" accuracy with handloads. Smooth action (I know Savages aren't known for this necessarily) really well built. Barrel took several hundred rounds to get itself sorted out (truthfully, this could have been due to my learning curve in shooting and cleaning) but now cleans easily and, as mentioned above, shoots well. This one wears an Elite 4200 6x24x 1" tube and it's an excellent scope.

I also have a 110FP in 7mmRM. It's uglier, rougher action, can see reamer chatter down the barrel. But it shoots like a house on fire. Still in the original cheapo stock, tho I did bed it and hog out the channel substantially. This one wears an elite 4200 6x24x30mm tactical scope. I like it better than the one on the .223 from the perspective of 1/4 clicks instead of 1/8, and the big tactical knobs are great, but I think the glass/magnification is slightly better on the 1" tube. Don't ask me why.
 
HOW HAVE SAVAGES TRAETED ME WELL! Here we go

The fist savage I owned was a 99C 308s, very good gun, and being a gun guy, I had to try one of the first 10Fple that hit the stage. I was very disapointed with this rifle no matter what I did to it I could not get this gun to shoot as well as my 700 vss. I sold the gun, it shot MOA no better and sometimes worse. At the same time my shooting buddy bought a HB 7mm mag savage identical to the tupper wear 10 fp and had the same results 1 inch at 100 yards but would not do better, a good reloader as well, we did everything to these bedding etc.. all the best brass and sorted bulets , just had poor barrels. We both changed stocks with no improvement and not cheap stocks either.

A few years went by and I decided to give a savage a second try this time in a 300 wsm and it shot quite well woudl hold MOA to 300 yards in a hunting rifle , 3 inch groups at that range is a bonus I bedded it in a laminate stock

I them bought a new 17 HMR thumb hole savage with great results and has won me my fare share of rim fire events.

I thought long and hard and bought a used 22-250 12 BVSS I think and this ended again leaving a sour taste in my mouth, 2 bad rifles, and 3 shooters 60% just did not cut it for me and no reason for the guns not to shoot!

Well I coudl not resist i bought ( Just this Year) 2 F-class savage persision rigs, and bought them for the soul purpose of rebarreling them I liked the stocks I liked the action. It turned out both these rifles are tack drivers in 6mm BR and 6.5x284.

However abot 30% of the customers have had issues with teh barrels and savage replaced them, the QA-QC was missed and the barrels left the factory with flaws. This dissipoints me to hear this.

I would not want to discourge anyone from trying a savage but its a hit miss, they all do not shoot what you read.

I could tell you all I shoot .25 inch groups each time out but I wont, and some would believe me other know the truth..

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A friend on this forum just bought a savage 308 tactical, I will see how it does, WHEN I CAN DRAG HIS BUTT OUT TO THE RANGE ( STEVE ) TO SEE IT SHOOT LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But to mde, savage is hit or miss, more so than teh 700s or Tikkas in that price range, even there are some really good rifles, there are some bad ones as well, more so than the other gun makersTo me a gun needs to be proved, you can talk the talk on this board but lets go shooting and lets see what it can do.
 
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i have a savage 12fvss in 223 i have had it about a year and it has shot like a dream sence i laid my hands on it as tight as 1/4 moa with my hand hand loads i would recomend it to anybody there is a 8-32x50 burris black diamond rideing atop it i have shot as far as 700 yards at a 12 inch alluminum circle with it and as you say the stock is cheap and the bugdet hasnt alloud me to put a new stock on it yet i have seen them with the choate ultimate sniper stock and the owner wasnt a huge fan of it because of the big square but i personally think bell and carlson is the way to go cheaper than mc millan with the same features and if lamonate is the way you are leaning then i would look at sharpshootersupply.com they ship to canada they also have an after market tactical bolt handel that is verry nice i like mine i also own a model 93 in 17hmr verry awsome results with it crows have died past 200 yrds thanks to that gun i owned a 17 hm2 also but due to lack of ammo i sold it i borrowed a friends stock savage 93 in 22lr at a turkey shoot and shot a
50 4x reason for only 4 x's was due to never shooting the gun before i took the turkey thanks to the gun i have owned many savages includeing 110's and i am a huge savage fan.
 
I personally think it's completely scandalous to pay the money we have to for factory rifles and still be "hit or miss". Hell, for $1,000+ retail I can't understand why companies in this day and age still can't thread pipes with a reasonable degree of consistency in quality. I don't care which manufacturer it is.
 
Just bought a Rem 700 Senderro in 300RUM thought i would check it out so checked bolt lug contact, 1 lug did not even contact, soo okay, then looked at bolt face hmm nice depression, decided i would pull the barrel, thought the chamber was supposed to be centered in the barrel. Me no like. It is redone action trued, bolt done shoulder set back TUBB recoil lug installed just waiting for the new stock.

And my Savage rifles...

Model 12BVSS pre accutrigger , regret ever selling it, way better than MOA, then my model 12 accutrigger, dumped tupper ware stock, and added Choate, same results if not better, and my Model 10's, 11's 111's get the picture, everything shot. Some required a bit of glass bedding or inlet adjustment but nothing near what the NIB Senderro needed. Would i buy another remington, maybe if the price was right.
 
I have the 12fv in .243 which is the same rifle but blued.

I love it. Right out of the box we were 1" groups with a cheap scope. A Bushnell 3200 fix 10 power now sits on top and I have shot a (witnessed) sub 2 inch group at 500m. There must have been a little bit of luck behind that but it still happened. Before you say it I have already called fluke on myself.

I have not changed the stock due to my budget and the new rifle in my cabinet, but that's another story. I would like to and if I did I like what McMillan puts out but there several other options that I'm looking into including Robertson Composites (I think) a Canadian company.
 
I have seen alot of savages kick all guns asses until they shoot in a registered event.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I same some shoot better than others specialy on this forum!
 
JasonYuke said:
I have seen alot of savages kick all guns asses until they shoot in a registered event.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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bingo.

Factory sporting rifles will not deliver competitive accuracy nor will they tolerate the type of heat generated from 20 shot strings.

In Mission BC, they have a hunter class in their UIT matches where the participants fire only ten shot strings. This an excellent system where people with factory sporting rifles can try competition and be scored on equal terms. No factory sporting rifle comes close to a properly constructed match rifle for score, but the score being in a separate class means that doesn't matter... it's one sporting rifle against another. I almost always bring a second match rifle and ammo and invite any new shooter to give it a go.
 
klrklr said:
My 10 FP in 308win and Choate stock kicks all comers asses at my range and it only cost 750$ out of the box.
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that quite true, I din't believe at first, having a few rem700PSS shot to haft an inch hold, it was very difficult to believe that anything could shoot as good and better price, then purchasing a savage 10fp Mcmillan, it was very good, in fact the first 4 round made a key hold less than haft an inch using sand bag, so I do believe it...
 
I have a 12FVSS in .223 and I love it. At first I thought the stock was horrible, and it was. After smoothing out the edges, enlarging the barrel channel to free-float and bedding the action it is starting to feel pretty solid! I love the rifle itself, never let me down. The only problem I had with it was the stiffness of the action when I first got it. About 500 rounds later it was great and is continuing to improve.
 
Hey Seamus,

There's a precision rifle match Saturday and a TR match Sunday at Bull Meadow.

Why don't you bring that baby out and stretch her legs to 600m?

We need more F class guys!

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i've got both 700Police and Model 10 FP...the remington has a massively long throat on it..if you want to reach it's full potential you can't then load then in the magazine...the Savage on the other hand is 2.830 to lands..so i can reach it's full potential and load them in the magazine as well...the savage is pretty hard to beat.
 
watsknew said:
i've got both 700Police and Model 10 FP...the remington has a massively long throat on it..if you want to reach it's full potential you can't then load then in the magazine...the Savage on the other hand is 2.830 to lands..so i can reach it's full potential and load them in the magazine as well...the savage is pretty hard to beat.
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How do you measure the throat length ? It definitely is very relevant when making this type of choice.
 
I had two Savage 12FV rifles, set up exactly the same, one in 223 and one in 308... BOTH were deadly accurate!!! Excellent value for the money with the Savage product!

Cheers
Jay
 
throback said:
How do you measure the throat length ? It definitely is very relevant when making this type of choice.
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I don't have a stoney point gauge..i've been using an empty case with notches cut into it so it can hold a bullet (the type i'm loading) then i chamber the round and pull it back out...now i know it can get lodged in the rifling and it can then pull it further out...but it seems to work thus far..and i used the OAL of that when loading for that particular weapon..i usually screw in my dies just a touch i don't wanna be right on the rifling but i haven't experimented enough yet to see the effects of putting it right up to the rifling...using this technique my 700P has a much longer round than my savage does. maybe i'm half baked here? but seems to work...
 
watsknew said:
using this technique my 700P has a much longer round than my savage does. maybe i'm half baked here? but seems to work...
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No, you're probably right. Stock remington's have a very long throat, from the five or six I've checked, they've all been 2.955"-2.975"
 
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