Scared of long range shots... Am I hunting wrong lol :(

... Much better you don't shoot "way out there" like some of the orange army who can't tell you bullet drop or how many feet they lead a deer. ...

I don't mind telling I never have to lead a deer because I don't shoot when they are moving. I'm just not good enough. Having practised shooting at moving targets in my Army service I could do it well enough to try on a target that has the means and intent to shoot me back, but that practise also taught me what it takes to practise shooting at moving targets. I don't have the time or facilities to for that so I must accept the constraints of hunting humanely.
 
I don't mind telling I never have to lead a deer because I don't shoot when they are moving. I'm just not good enough. Having practised shooting at moving targets in my Army service I could do it well enough to try on a target that has the means and intent to shoot me back, but that practise also taught me what it takes to practise shooting at moving targets. I don't have the time or facilities to for that so I must accept the constraints of hunting humanely.

Same here, I don't shoot deer doing anything more than a walk. If they light the afterburners and gtfo, it's their lucky day! I'd rather not wash guts or crap off my venison. I'm poking fun at the guys who BS and pull off fluke shots and really have no clue. Sure I've lucked out on moving coyotes, but I never pretended it was anything other than a wild guess.
 
Much effort has been wasted over the years by attempting to associate the range at which game is shot with ethics. In truth, there is no ethical dilemma associated with the competent shooting of game at long range. There is however a strong ethical dilemma associated with wounding game through incompetent shooting, regardless of range. Therefore there is no association between ethics and range, but ethics are closely related to competence.

At the range, you should be able to demonstrate, preferably on demand, what you intend to do in the field, under similar conditions, but you should not attempt in the field, what you have not been able to prove at the range. An accomplished long range shooter restricts the range of his shooting based on the immediate conditions he faces. The less experienced rifleman/hunter is less likely he is to understand his own limitations under any given circumstances.

Often we hear that a hunter need only hit a pie plate size target to take game, but a clay bird is a better sized target to establish a hunter's maximum range to engage game, and this gets us away from the shooting groups "trap," which has little to do with shooting game.
Well put Boomer!
 
Much effort has been wasted over the years by attempting to associate the range at which game is shot with ethics. In truth, there is no ethical dilemma associated with the competent shooting of game at long range. There is however a strong ethical dilemma associated with wounding game through incompetent shooting, regardless of range. Therefore there is no association between ethics and range, but ethics are closely related to competence.

At the range, you should be able to demonstrate, preferably on demand, what you intend to do in the field, under similar conditions, but you should not attempt in the field, what you have not been able to prove at the range. An accomplished long range shooter restricts the range of his shooting based on the immediate conditions he faces. The less experienced rifleman/hunter is less likely he is to understand his own limitations under any given circumstances.

Often we hear that a hunter need only hit a pie plate size target to take game, but a clay bird is a better sized target to establish a hunter's maximum range to engage game, and this gets us away from the shooting groups "trap," which has little to do with shooting game.

Clay bird at 400 yards is basically 1 MOA or there about. Thats some pretty good shooting for the average Joe. With this said , most that claim to regularly kill deer and such at 400 have the Bullsh!t on the inside of the boots IMO. Further, range like fishing and ##### size generally has a correction factor of .5
 
Clay bird at 400 yards is basically 1 MOA or there about. Thats some pretty good shooting for the average Joe. With this said , most that claim to regularly kill deer and such at 400 have the Bullsh!t on the inside of the boots IMO. Further, range like fishing and ##### size generally has a correction factor of .5

I don’t think boomer was referring to a pie plate at 400 yards. The pie plate rule of thumb is something the fair weather hunters often do before the season opens, and it’s typically done at 100 yards.
 
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