School me on CZ rimfires

[Mumbles Marble Mouth]

Some people just have no clue how to shoot a rifle like its mind boggling. I was shooting at my local towns private shooting range with my CZ 455 and a guy showed up with a Brno 2E. We were both shooting at 25 and during a break we both went to look at our targets and he was shocked at how tiny my groups are. All one hole and his being the size of a looney. I told him he can try my rifle and I'll try his. We go up to look at the targets of us shooting each others rifles, mine are again tiny one hole groups and his again the size of a looney. I don't understand how he couldn't figure it out. I mean all you need to do is shoot one round at the target and then just put the rest in the dirt.

 

[Kevan]

Some people just have no clue how to shoot a rifle like its mind boggling. I was shooting at my local towns private shooting range with my CZ 455 and a guy showed up with a Brno 2E. We were both shooting at 25 and during a break we both went to look at our targets and he was shocked at how tiny my groups are. All one hole and his being the size of a looney. I told him he can try my rifle and I'll try his. We go up to look at the targets of us shooting each others rifles, mine are again tiny one hole groups and his again the size of a looney. I don't understand how he couldn't figure it out. I mean all you need to do is shoot one round at the target and then just put the rest in the dirt.

Hmmm, I thought that was my secret method..

 

[Wolverine Guy]

Just for the opportunity that you're here, why is the american profile .22wmr miniset(CZ1507300908805ND) more than the varmint profile .22wmr miniset(CZ1507300908821ND).
You get more barrel with the varmint, for $80 less.

Simply down to what the exchange rate was when they were purchased from CZ in $USD. The Varmint barrel was purchased a while ago when the exchange rate was better. If we were to replace it today it would be in line with the American barrel.
That Varmint barrel is a steal right now.

 

[FLHTCUI]

^^ You got it, ^^ you ever here of a muzzle break RabidM4U5 and for that I give you these + +



I have looked a the (Czech Republic) site. they don't list some of these rifles. I just didn't think all the CZ's coming to Canada was from the (Czech Republic).

Odd though I bought a CZ455 combo from you guys (Wolverine) back in 2015 and my receiver is stamped made in (Czech Republic) and on the other side it says cz-usa Kansas city, KS. why would my rifle be stamped from both plants?

Not to answer your question dierectly, but have you checked out a Browning Rifle of late?
Morgan Utah, Montreal Quebec and Japan all stamped on the same rifle....
Coincidence?
Rob

 

[bollox]

If you can convince the RCMP to allow import of "suppressor ready" model rifles because you just want to put a muzzle brake on them then you'll earn my vote for Prime Minister of Canada!

If you feel the need to install a muzzle brake to tame the brutal, bone crunching, tooth rattling recoil of the mighty .22 LR..... well.....





All CZ's are made in Czechoslovakia, CZ-USA is only a warranty center/importer. US law requires imported guns to be marked with the name of the importer and the name of the city in which they are licensed. All guns imported by CZ-USA are marked with "CZ-USA" and "Kansas City". Looks like it was then imported from the US to Canada.

*czech republic (since '93)

 

[Brocolt]

If you can convince the RCMP to allow import of "suppressor ready" model rifles because you just want to put a muzzle brake on them then you'll earn my vote for Prime Minister of Canada!

If you feel the need to install a muzzle brake to tame the brutal, bone crunching, tooth rattling recoil of the mighty .22 LR..... well.....





All CZ's are made in Czechoslovakia, CZ-USA is only a warranty center/importer. US law requires imported guns to be marked with the name of the importer and the name of the city in which they are licensed. All guns imported by CZ-USA are marked with "CZ-USA" and "Kansas City". Looks like it was then imported from the US to Canada.

Now your falling into the words called "suppressor ready" which means NOTHING..... it's Hype! just a flashy word to sell a product by CZ-USA. My Remington 700 has a threaded barrel this is technically "suppressor ready" your reading too much into it. every AR15 with a threaded barrel is technically "suppressor ready" because it's threaded. So stop with this can't be imported because it's "suppressor ready".

AR15's and other long guns with a threated barrel for a muzzle break can also fit a suppressor if the threads on the barrel match so they are also "suppressor ready" technically.
I put a break on a .22lr because I can Not because I need to. I have money I earned it. I'll put my money where I want, if I want a muzzle brake on my 22lr so be it rule 5. Personal insults are not permitted. !

 

[RabidM4U5]

Now falling into the words called "suppressor ready" which means NOTHING.....

It's not me you need to convince, it's our "highly intelligent" RCMP. The same organization that thinks magazines patented in the 1970's are "inherently designed and manufactured" for a "pistol" that only came into being 30+ years later. Wording is important, your threaded Rem 700 is "muzzle brake ready" here in Canada

I put a break on a .22lr because I can Not because I need to. I have money I earned it. I'll put my money where I want, if I want a muzzle brake on my 22lr so be it rule 5. Personal insults are not permitted.

Touchy... no sense of humour I see. You could have simply said "I like how they look so I want to put one on a CZ Tacticool (or whatever model)."

 

[Brocolt]

not touchy and yes I have a sense of humor. I thought you were leading into a pissing match. :wink: The CZ should be renaming that rifle to Pro varmint or Pro varmint target instead of Tacticool.
As for the rifles on my CZ455 list I don't think it's a problem getting them here just don't know why dealers aren't bring them in and why can't we get the 16.5" barrel here?

If the RCMP have an issue with them because of the name then, My opinion would be that these people in the lab are idiots. as "suppressor ready" means nothing more then threaded barrel.

A person can get any barrel threaded, I just wanted it done at the factory of the manufacture and not 3rd party. MOVING ON from this pissing match.


New question: I traded my older CZ 452-2E ZKM American and I thought the barrel was about 20" now looking at the new CZ 452-2E ZKM American it's 22.5" barrel. does anyone here have a CZ 452-2E ZKM American with a barrel under 22.5" ?

 

[grauhanen]

New question: I traded my older CZ 452-2E ZKM American and I thought the barrel was about 20" now looking at the new CZ 452-2E ZKM American it's 22.5" barrel. does anyone here have a CZ 452-2E ZKM American with a barrel under 22.5" ?

My Oz-destined, beech stocked CZ 452 American's barrel is about 21.25" long from the receiver.

 

[lone-wolf]

Simply down to what the exchange rate was when they were purchased from CZ in $USD. The Varmint barrel was purchased a while ago when the exchange rate was better. If we were to replace it today it would be in line with the American barrel.
That Varmint barrel is a steal right now.

Makes perfect sense, thanks.

 

[ronnie01]

^^ You got it, ^^ you ever here of a muzzle break RabidM4U5 and for that I give you these + +



I have looked a the (Czech Republic) site. they don't list some of these rifles. I just didn't think all the CZ's coming to Canada was from the (Czech Republic).

Odd though I bought a CZ455 combo from you guys (Wolverine) back in 2015 and my receiver is stamped made in (Czech Republic) and on the other side it says cz-usa Kansas city, KS. why would my rifle be stamped from both plants?

I have purchased a CZ455 evolution in Canada from a dealer inventory and the gun is marked Kansas City How do you explain that? I also am not the only one who has a CZ purchased in Canada from a reputable dealer and his gun is also stamped Kansas City. There must be some brought into Canada and not using the Club CZ supply line.

R

 

[play.soccer]

I got my first CZ 452 Style (synthetic stainless) when I was 12. 15 years later I just bought another Style off of the EE last night. Can't wait to get it

 

[Jdiep]

I got my first CZ 452 Style (synthetic stainless) when I was 12. 15 years later I just bought another Style off of the EE last night. Can't wait to get it

Lol can't only own 1 cz 45* lol I did the same thing got a 452 sillouette which is a american with synthetic stock. Just bought a varmint and a new boyd stock hehe

 

[j_06]

If you can convince the RCMP to allow import of "suppressor ready" model rifles because you just want to put a muzzle brake on them then you'll earn my vote for Prime Minister of Canada!

If you feel the need to install a muzzle brake to tame the brutal, bone crunching, tooth rattling recoil of the mighty .22 LR..... well.....





All CZ's are made in Czechoslovakia, CZ-USA is only a warranty center/importer. US law requires imported guns to be marked with the name of the importer and the name of the city in which they are licensed. All guns imported by CZ-USA are marked with "CZ-USA" and "Kansas City". Looks like it was then imported from the US to Canada.

So you'll vote for me and all I gotta do is show you pretty much any Canadian firearms dealers website?

 

[Brocolt]

So you'll vote for me and all I gotta do is show you pretty much any Canadian firearms dealers website?

??????

 

[Kevan]

Does anyone know how these new CZ models compare if at all to the old BRNO #2 for accuracy and quality ?
I'm not trying to side track here, just curious..

Is it safe to try this question again, maybe have a response from someone who might be playing with both old and new or maybe upgraded to the new variations.
Any opinions appreciated as I do not want to spend in excess for something like bedding or pillar bedding etc. if its to no avail..

 

[Brocolt]

I have been in contact with some guys who matter... Yes that's right who use the 455 and they are serious about shooting and can shoot very well. I asked them what they prefer 452 or the 455 these guys all told me go with the 455.
Now I own both anyways, but my money is going into the 455 for the same reason these guys are using the 455. note I'm still keeping 1 452 just because I can and they shoot well.

Kevan as to your Brno question I've never used one before, So I can't answer that part.

 

[lone-wolf]

I have been in contact with some guys who matter... Yes that's right who use the 455 and they are serious about shooting and can shoot very well. I asked them what they prefer 452 or the 455 these guys all told me go with the 455.
Now I own both anyways, but my money is going into the 455 for the same reason these guys are using the 455. note I'm still keeping 1 452 just because I can and they shoot well.

Any reason for going with the 455?

 

[bollox]

I have been in contact with some guys who matter... Yes that's right who use the 455 and they are serious about shooting and can shoot very well. I asked them what they prefer 452 or the 455 these guys all told me go with the 455.
Now I own both anyways, but my money is going into the 455 for the same reason these guys are using the 455. note I'm still keeping 1 452 just because I can and they shoot well.

Kevan as to your Brno question I've never used one before, So I can't answer that part.

It would be interesting to hear reasons of these "people".

I have experienced the exact opposite.

 

[Chilly807]

I have both, a 455 American and a 452 Varmint, both in 22 LR. I'd say the Varmint is an easier rifle to shoot well, due to it's greater mass. My 455 has pillars and epoxy bedding, a crown touch-up and lighter trigger, and it shoots slightly better than it did previously. A truly skilled shooter would get better results than I have, I'm sure. Equipment only takes you so far, then the shooter's ability takes you the rest of the way. I shoot the 452 Varmint better because it's more forgiving, IMO.
Trigger quality of the two rifles is about equal, both have silky smooth bolts after being broken in, wood quality is about the same.
The barrel mounting system on the 455 seems fine to me, mine certainly isn't a wild shooter. I don't ever plan to change barrels, would have been quite happy with a 452 American if I'd found one, but I didn't.
I think a lot of the anti 455 hype is that it's radically different from the 452 in one aspect critical to a rifleman, the barrel.
In short, if I'd owned a 452 first, I'd probably never have bought the 455, instead I would have prayed the 452 never broke. I might even have joined the legions of CZ owners that turned up their noses at the 455s.
Drawing on the experience of others, or at least what they've shared online, I think the 455 platform MAY be slightly less accurate than the 452, but that's treacherous ground to take a stand on. I wouldn't want to bet any money on that!
I've heard of examples of both shooting very well in some cases, very poorly in others.
The 455 is hands down an easier rifle to deep clean, you can get access to the front of the action and the barrel face very easily.
For what they're meant to be, both platforms are entirely adequate, IMO.