Schultz and Larsen - Then and Now

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Since there's been a little interest in Schultz & Larsen rifles lately, I thought I'd put up some pictures that show the advance with this brand over a period of 60-70 years. I think most CGNers know something about S&L rifles and the esteem in which they are held. To many, they represent the height of factory-rifle excellence in terms of design, function, fit and finish, accuracy, and smoothness of operation, among other attributes. I gave something of a rundown in a recent thread here of the early S&L series of hunting rifles. That can be found at Post #16 in the thread:

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2388297-Schultz-and-Larsen-model-65-DL/page2

I’ll start with that series.

1. The Early Period of S&L Hunting Rifles

This is the period of 1954 to 1970 when the S&Lcenterfire hunting rifles employing the rear locking system appeared. The first in that series was the M54J appearing in 1954, along with the introduction of Phil Sharpe’s 7x61 S&H cartridge (included in all succeeding models). It was an interesting design—but a pretty radical departure from Mauser principles. It suffered in the North American market from its ####-on-closing feature, its size and weight, its somewhat ungainly appearance, and its magazine system. Not more than a few hundred were made. Roy Weatherby used this action (in slightly modified form and labelled the M56A, with the "A" for American) in his first rifle chambered in the .378 Wby. cartridge.

Next was the M60, introduced in 1957. It offered some improvements over the M54J, mainly in aesthetics, but remained ####-on-closing and didn’t make much of a dent in the market, with only about 1,100 made. In 1960, a more refined rifle using the same basic action, the M65 (and deluxe version, M65DL) appeared. It did hit a responsive chord with the shooting public, offering ####-on-opening, better stock design, and some other improvements. Although only 4,720 were ever made, it was considered a very desirable rifle. And then in 1967, the M68DL was introduced. This was essentially the final rifle in this series and represented the best of that series of S&L rifles, but only 2,238 were ever made. So, in total, fewer than 10,000 S&L rifles were made in this series that ran from 1954 to about 1970--probably not more than a couple of week's worth of production of the Remington 700. Pictured below is my M68DL, this in 7x61 S&H chambering.

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2. The Modern Period of S&L Hunting Rifles

At some point in the late 1980s or early 1990s, Schultz & Larsen began work on a front-locking action. In many respects it carried over a lot of features of the earlier rear-locking action, but the placement of the locking lugs was the major change. By the early 2000s (and I’m guessing a little about the timing, as I don’t have precise dates for this period), the company had perfected a full line of front-locking switch barrel rifles, and these are what S&L are selling today (although not in Canada unfortunately). These current S&L rifles reflect the high quality of design and construction of the earlier rifles. Throughout their history of building hunting rifles (from the 1950s to the present), S&L have continued to use the time-consuming method of single-point cut-rifling, followed by lapping, their barrels, and the quality of S&L barrels has been known far and wide for decades. Many custom rifles over the years have been fitted with S&L barrels. Pictured below is my modern S&L Victory model with barrels in .270 Win. and .243 Win.

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3. A Very Unusual Schultz & Larsen Rifle

Until very recently, I'd not heard of a Schultz & Larsen hunting rifle built on a modern non-S&L action (there were a few early ones built on the Mauser M98 action before the birth of the M54J). Much to my surprise, I ran across one built on the Husqvarna 1900 action (actually the Viking Arms iteration of this action) and acquired it—the Schultz & Larsen M1990. This action has been seen as one of the very best bolt actions ever designed. To my knowledge, all the HVA, Carl Gustaf, Viking Arms, and Antonio Zoli rifles built on this action have had alloy bottom metal—seen as a shortcoming by many. However, this S&L Model 1990, in 6.5x55 SE chambering, has all-steel construction (as is true for all S&L rifles), with a detachable steel magazine and steel trigger guard/magazine surround. From a pretty careful inspection, it appears to bear the hallmarks of quality found in all S&L rifles. Picture below.

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One interesting (at least to me!) observation that may be worth sharing centers around the similarity of stock design between the modern S&L rifles and the S&L 1990 built on the Viking Arms 1900 action. Around 1990, or the late 1980s, Jørgen Nielsen, a Dane, and Swedes Lars Wågeson and Viggo Olsson were involved in the new Viking Arms enterprise, started by Wågeson, and featuring an improvement of the Husqvarna 1900 action. Nielsen supplied the stocks for the Lux version of the Viking and then went on to purchase Schultz & Larsen in 1994, which he sold later to Morten Krogh. The stock lines and trim enhancements of the Lux grade Viking 1900 (which I have) and this Schultz & Larsen 1990 (and actually all more recent S&L rifles) are very similar. This S&L 1990 rifle would have represented a very brief period in the life of Schultz & Larsen between the time of the earlier rear-locking models and the later switch-barrel rifles they are making today, and it illustrates, I think, the extent of intermingling of these Scandinavian firearms figures and their ideas.
 
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It's too bad way back in the day it wasn't called the .308 Winchester Magnum.
I think things would of worked out differently for the chaps.
 
There was many "curiosities" about S&L's handling of 308 Norma Mag, 7x61, even the rifles - as if they thought they would make the world's best and customers would come to them. Versus North America advertising from Winchester and Remington - marketers could convince most buyers that their North American made thing was "good enough" or even "better" - not as if a marketer would "round-up" a velocity number, exaggerated a bit, etc. But also was a distribution system for ammo (and guns) in North America that S&L simply did not match - and I think that is what killed those rounds - could buy 7mm Rem Mag or 300 Win Mag most anywhere - and many today have never heard of 7x61 Super or 308 Norma Magnum - as per a previous post, for some reason, I think the mountain regions in B.C. might have been an exception to that.
 
Interesting write up, thanks for posting.
You don't see many of them around these parts but I had a chance to purchase a Schultze and Larsen rifle in 7x61 a few years ago and I can't remember what model it was now. I passed on the purchase of the rifle due to the condition of the stock, it was beyond refurbishing and would have required a new piece of wood to look presentable. I did eventually get a 7x61 S&H but it's in a custom FN action with an Apex barrel and a lovely piece of American Walnut.
 
The failure of the early-period Schultz & Larsen rifles to capture much of the market (at least after 1963) wasn’t primarily their chambering in 7x61 S&H and .308 Norma Magnum. Browning and Husqvarna, among others, chambered rifles in the latter cartridge and did fine. By 1963, Schultz & Larsen offered the deluxe version M65DL in many chamberings, including all the popular cartridges of the day—30-06, .270 Win., .243 Win., .308 Win., 7mm Rem. Mag., .338 Win. Mag., and some others. Instead, the low sales volume arose from the amount of hand work employed with these rifles and the resulting high cost of the finished product.

At first, noted gun writer and cartridge experimenter Phil Sharpe and gunsmith Richard Hart--as Sharpe & Hart Associates, Inc.--began marketing the M54Js and M60s in very limited quantities. Neither Sharpe nor Hart was an entrepreneur, and it showed, as their distribution business faced serious challenges and was largely unsuccessful. By about 1963 with the introduction of the M65DL (or earlier), Norma Precision took over distribution of the M65/65DLs and continued this until about 1967, at which time, they realized that the volume of rifles coming out of the S&L factory was too low to be profitable for them. At that point, Robert Fessler, an American businessman, took over the distribution of these rifles in the US, but between 1967 and about 1970, he received fewer than 200 rifles (likely M68DLs) and he dropped the line. I don’t know who distributed and marketed the S&L rifles in Canada, but they did make it to a number of Canadian retailers. It’s my guess that the flow of new S&L rifles stopped appearing here in the early 1970s. If anyone can provide information about S&L distribution in Canada, I’d be very interested in seeing it. As I have noted in another thread, fewer than 10,000 S&L hunting rifles in total (including all the M54Js, M60s, M65/65DLs, and M68DLs) were produced between 1954 and about 1970.

So, the failure of the early-period S&L rifles to penetrate much of the gun market can be traced to (a) the large amount of hand work employed in their construction and (b) the low volume of production from their small factory and the associated high production costs. Schultz and Larsen evidently were unwilling to go to labour-saving cost-reduction methods that their competition had begun to use, and their operation was small compared to that of the larger European makers, with relatively few rifles produced each year. As I noted in the other thread, in 1971, the cost of a S&L M68DL was listed in the 1971 Gun Digest at $485 USD. In comparison, the Weatherby Mk. V was listed at $329, and the Winchester M70 at $170. It's not hard to see that the S&L rifles ceased to be profitable for those marketing them.

It might be worth noting that the current Schultz & Larsen company, with its modern line of hunting rifles, seems to be doing quite well, although I lack precise sales figures. It is still a pretty small company compared to Sako, Steyr, Sauer, Mauser, Blaser, Merkel, etc., and they lack the larger companies' sizable advertising budgets, but they seem to have a pretty solid presence in Europe, including the UK, where these modern S&L switch-barrel models are popular. They are not being exported to North America, and my guess is that, given the size of the company, they can only produce enough rifles to supply the European countries. These S&L rifles compete in the high-end European rifle market alongside Sako, Sauer, Blaser, Merkel, Mauser, etc.

I should note that a lot of the information I’ve gleaned about these rifles has come from Stuart Otteson’s really excellent book The Bolt Action, Vol. II, which covers both the M54J and M68DL. This book and Vol. I cover 33 bolt actions, starting with the Mauser 98. These actions are covered in great detail and from an engineering perspective (Otteson’s profession), and both volumes are well worth having.

Edit. Also worth noting is the fact that this entire discussion has excluded the fine Schultz & Larsen rimfire rifles. If I had to guess, I'd bet that there are more (maybe many more) of these S&L .22LRs out there than all the S&L hunting rifles. Perhaps someone will pick up this topic of S&L rimfire rifles in the rimfire sub-forum.
 
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Thanks for the information South Pender, Its been an enjoyable read. You've rekindled my interest for the Schultz Larsen rifle thats been sitting in my safe for years now. :)
 
Their pre-war history quite interesting too...

Yes, definitely interesting for sure. I wrote up a piece for another forum a couple of years ago about the predecessors to the Schultz & Larsen hunting-rifle series produced between 1954 and 1970. The main items of interest were the M38 hunting rifle and the M42 service rifle that the occupying German troops used in Denmark in WWII. These earlier S&L rifles were the first, as far as I know, to use the 4-rear-locking lug design carried over into the S&L hunting rifles of the 1960s and 70s. The Model 54 target rifle shown in that piece was the immediate forerunner of the M54J (where the "J" is for "jaeger" or "hunter" in German and Danish), the first in the hunting-rifle series. Here's a link to that piece:

https://www.gunboards.com/threads/s...ltz-larsen-centerfire-hunting-rifles.1182502/
 
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Schlutz & Larsen make fantastic cut barrels for their rifle range as well as blanks for custom rifles. Barrels are machine lapped, at least they were last time I was there. Pity their design does not allow for stainless barrels due to the barrel bolt lock up arrangement. S&L also manufacture suppressors which is quite big part of the business.
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Schlutz & Larsen make fantastic cut barrels for their rifle range as well as blanks for custom rifles. Barrels are machine lapped, at least they were last time I was there. Pity their design does not allow for stainless barrels due to the barrel bolt lock up arrangement. S&L also manufacture suppressors which is quite big part of the business.
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That's interesting, EJG. Yes, suppressors are common in Europe (at least in the UK), and S&L is at the forefront in this area. However, they're not legal here in Canada. I had read in several sources that S&L hand-lapped their barrels once the rifling had been cut, but it probably doesn't matter one way or the other. I've read that the barrels are lapped with an individually-cast tin lap (see second link below). S&L's own description of their barrels is in the first link below. Interestingly, they produce a slight choke effect near the muzzle of their barrels--either in the cut-rifling or lapping stage. Anschutz does this as well with their super-accurate rimfire barrels, and this constriction effect seems to improve accuracy. The increase in manufacturing time given in the third paragraph of the first link--1½ hours to cut-rifle a barrel vs. a few minutes to button-rifle or hammer-forge one (I've read 3-4 minutes to hammer-forge the rifling)--helps explain the higher cost of S&L rifles. The process of cut-rifling and lapping a barrel followed today is evidently the same as that with their earlier-series (1960s and 70s) rifles. So it's not surprising to hear owners of these earlier rifles speak of their accuracy.

I'm curious about your comment regarding stainless-steel barrels being unsuitable for the S&L lock-up system (in the barrel). Can you explain why stainless would preclude this?

https://www.greatdanerifles.com/barrels.html

https://gunlore.com/rifles/schultz-larsen-2/
 
That's interesting, EJG. Yes, suppressors are common in Europe (at least in the UK), and S&L is at the forefront in this area. However, they're not legal here in Canada. I had read in several sources that S&L hand-lapped their barrels once the rifling had been cut, but it probably doesn't matter one way or the other. I've read that the barrels are lapped with an individually-cast tin lap (see second link below). S&L's own description of their barrels is in the first link below. Interestingly, they produce a slight choke effect near the muzzle of their barrels--either in the cut-rifling or lapping stage. Anschutz does this as well with their super-accurate rimfire barrels, and this constriction effect seems to improve accuracy. The increase in manufacturing time given in the third paragraph of the first link--1½ hours to cut-rifle a barrel vs. a few minutes to button-rifle or hammer-forge one (I've read 3-4 minutes to hammer-forge the rifling)--helps explain the higher cost of S&L rifles. The process of cut-rifling and lapping a barrel followed today is evidently the same as that with their earlier-series (1960s and 70s) rifles. So it's not surprising to hear owners of these earlier rifles speak of their accuracy.

I'm curious about your comment regarding stainless-steel barrels being unsuitable for the S&L lock-up system (in the barrel). Can you explain why stainless would preclude this?

https://www.greatdanerifles.com/barrels.html

https://gunlore.com/rifles/schultz-larsen-2/

In the meantime in Ireland most of us use suppressors on our hunting rifles. I even have a suppressor on my 22lr but not on the 30-30 lever.
Morten explained that the barrel steel they use can be hardened to a higher degree than barrel stainless as far as I remember. I put up a picture once of a S&L with a dummy barrel in the white and got all sorts of replies how I got a Stainless S&L.
I only saw the cut rifling process when I visited the factory, thought they had an English and a possibly German machine. I can't remember being told about the lapping with choke but believe it as others do the same. I had a Hawk Hill barrel with choke lapped which is shooting very well with a member of the Irish PRS team. Shawn told me not to cut that barrel shorter due to the choke. I have not watched the cut process start to finish but have seen a few barrels hammer forged at Heym Rifles and that was done in a few minutes.
S&L have or had a nice aluminium or steel Tactical action. The Alu version is very light with integrated rail. The bolt was the same as in Victory etc as far as I remember.

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