Schultz & Larsen M88
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There is an S&L M70 brochure in this link.
When you look at that M88 (M61 with dovetail receiver) you have to think back to when/who pioneered the dovetail diopters.... Walther/Anschutz did for example, in the 80's. Prior to this every S&L model had D&T rear diopters.
Your action and S/N put it as an M70, which many were upgraded to the M77 trigger system as it was an easy retrofit. The stock is nice, you should look for more markings inside it.
There is an S&L M70 brochure in this link.
When you look at that M88 (M61 with dovetail receiver) you have to think back to when/who pioneered the dovetail diopters.... Walther/Anschutz did for example, in the 80's. Prior to this every S&L model had D&T rear diopters.
Your action and S/N put it as an M70, which many were upgraded to the M77 trigger system as it was an easy retrofit. The stock is nice, you should look for more markings inside it.
Im sure its likely metric.... perhaps buy a few that seem close to the right size at the hardware store and test them out, but be careful and not force one that does not thread easily because it may not be the right thread pitch.
Maybe someone can take theirs out and find out the size using measurements.
I'll measure one for you later... I have the captive pin-spring, allen bolt, and swing tab versions.
Well... I'm no use, all my dies are SAE. The screw is 2.5mm diameter, metric something or other lol.
Oh and this is the latest production model I have...
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Then of course you have this critter....
http://extreme-precision.forum-2007.com/t57029-schultz-larsen-m88
And here...
http://extreme-precision.forum-2007.com/t66866-presentation-de-ma-collection-de-rifle-mosin-schultz-larsen-marlin-sako
http://extreme-precision.forum-2007.com/t57029-schultz-larsen-m88
And here...
http://extreme-precision.forum-2007.com/t66866-presentation-de-ma-collection-de-rifle-mosin-schultz-larsen-marlin-sako
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For more on the history of the M70 and its predecessors and successors, see h t t p://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?542-Schultz-amp-Larsen-M-24-History
The following is from a discussion regarding a Danish book described as a "Schultz & Larsen History book":
"As I understand it:
nr. 24 started around 1924. nr.33 around 1933. Together ca. 13000 was produced. Nothing mentioned about production numbers. nr. 33 was, compared to nr.24, better lock, changed frontsight and another stock (diminished pistol-grip) easier to produce.
M 58 (production started around 1958 and estimated 4290 was made) was a better version of nr. 33. New dioptersight with "click-function" and "international" front-sight. same stock.
M 70 (came around 1960 with estimated 7450 produced) had same walnut stock as longrifle M69.
M 77 (came 1977 and around 3000 produced) with a trigger-system that was similar to longrifle M69.
Last came M 88 (came 1988 and only ca. 30 of them was produced) with triggerpull as low as 150 gram and U.I.T.-stock. the stocks was produced in germany. About 1000 of the same stocks and new trigger was mounted on earlier models.
nr.24- nr.33- M58-M70-M77-M88 was together produced in the amount of 28000 rifles. 4000 before WW2. 1945-1958 9144 produced. 1959-1968 4296 produced. 1969-1978 7434 produced. 1979-1988 3063 produced and finally 1989-1992 only 28 rifles produced. The last M88 was numbered 28230 the 24th of december 1992.
Regards,
ARILAR"
The entire thread deserves attention.
See also
h t t p://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1704729&postcount=57
h t t p://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2025148&postcount=7
For the M61, see
h t t p://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?872-Schultz-amp-Larsen-Model-61-22RF-Target-Rifle
The following is from a discussion regarding a Danish book described as a "Schultz & Larsen History book":
"As I understand it:
nr. 24 started around 1924. nr.33 around 1933. Together ca. 13000 was produced. Nothing mentioned about production numbers. nr. 33 was, compared to nr.24, better lock, changed frontsight and another stock (diminished pistol-grip) easier to produce.
M 58 (production started around 1958 and estimated 4290 was made) was a better version of nr. 33. New dioptersight with "click-function" and "international" front-sight. same stock.
M 70 (came around 1960 with estimated 7450 produced) had same walnut stock as longrifle M69.
M 77 (came 1977 and around 3000 produced) with a trigger-system that was similar to longrifle M69.
Last came M 88 (came 1988 and only ca. 30 of them was produced) with triggerpull as low as 150 gram and U.I.T.-stock. the stocks was produced in germany. About 1000 of the same stocks and new trigger was mounted on earlier models.
nr.24- nr.33- M58-M70-M77-M88 was together produced in the amount of 28000 rifles. 4000 before WW2. 1945-1958 9144 produced. 1959-1968 4296 produced. 1969-1978 7434 produced. 1979-1988 3063 produced and finally 1989-1992 only 28 rifles produced. The last M88 was numbered 28230 the 24th of december 1992.
Regards,
ARILAR"
The entire thread deserves attention.
See also
h t t p://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1704729&postcount=57
h t t p://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2025148&postcount=7
For the M61, see
h t t p://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?872-Schultz-amp-Larsen-Model-61-22RF-Target-Rifle
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C'mon! Perhaps it was a typo; folks di make'em.
It doesn't mean there's a conspiracy or obvious ignorance or those folks are misreading the book to which they are referring.Seriously, it does appear to be an understandable typo as we know the model number is associated with the model year. How do we know this? Other references make this point, including some of those referred to in post #111.
Looking at a close up of the serial number area shows it to be 10078.
There's no need to be argumentative for it's own sake. It is 1970 for the date that production began for the M70. The serial number is 10078. Start jivin'.
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Surely you would have something to backup these definitive claims?
Im not arguing, I simply pointed out misinformation within the post. If the information is accurate and the 1960 portion is simply a typo, then one would have to believe the 28k serial information is correct..... So which is it? You cant just cherrypick information to drive a narrative. Remember, that entire posts subject was the lineage progression of the m24 ending with the m88 which is quite the opposite of 'lineage of 61'.
Don't get upset with me for pointing out the vast inconsistencies and severe lacking of facts.
#1 we have no clue what model was linked to by hitzy because unfortunately it wasn't stated.
#2 we have no idea what model is being sold by Tradex
What we do know, or 'think' we know
#1 the m88 is the last lineage model of the m24
#2 the serials for said m88 should be in the 28k range
#3 the Tradex action appears to NOT be a 28k number.
#4 Schultz & Larsen states its an M71
Thats it! Anything else without proven facts is pure conjecture or 'aka' false information based on..... No substantiated evidence.
I really do not care either way, I simply have a very low tolerance for forcing misinformation into law when in reality..... Nobody freakin knows. M88 or M1069..... Makes no difference to this guy.
One additional conundrum to ponder...
The author goes out of his way to detail every component configuration change from on model to the next, but only states the m88 has a UIT stock. Seems a bit odd to me the author would be thorough enough to state all changes from model to model, but yet mentions absolutely NOTHING about the M88 being a completely different rifle from the ground up.
You would think that to be significant enough to mention, but it isn't even slightly covered. One would have to assume and m88 is a m77 with an upgraded stock.
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The author goes out of his way to detail every component configuration change from on model to the next, but only states the m88 has a UIT stock. Seems a bit odd to me the author would be thorough enough to state all changes from model to model, but yet mentions absolutely NOTHING about the M88 being a completely different rifle from the ground up.
You would think that to be significant enough to mention, but it isn't even slightly covered. One would have to assume and m88 is a m77 with an upgraded stock.
