It's pretty rare that it gets that cold here... That's one (of many) reasons I'd never move back to Quebec
Probably haven't had them out in colder than -10 or -15.
Scope bubble levels
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It's pretty rare that it gets that cold here... That's one (of many) reasons I'd never move back to Quebec
Probably haven't had them out in colder than -10 or -15.
I've been using Accuracy 1st levels for years, in temps from -25C to +40 C and I have had zero issues with them.
Thanks for confirming, I do all my shooting in the Ottawa valley, we may know each other and not know it!
It's pretty rare that it gets that cold here... That's one (of many) reasons I'd never move back to Quebec
Probably haven't had them out in colder than -10 or -15.
It would seem that the older I'm getting the less tolerant I am to cold, so I fully understand you!
I’ve always been a fan of the flatline ops scope mounted levels. Only issue is for me, I tend to run Near Alphamounts, so there is no room up front to mount one. Not sure which to try next, may have to go back to the rail mounted like the USO model.
Just as a follow up, received, installed, and dry fired with my accuracy 1st scope levels.
All I can say, as far as visibility and ease of use, they definitely beat vortex and spuhr (intergrated in mount) levels by a huge margin.
Vortex are hard to see hence why I had them close to my rear ring.
Accuracy 1st you can mount it forward and still see very well.
It will never beat spuhr for conceiling the level and having less stuff hang out your scope.
By the way I will have to relearn canting my rifle as it works opposite ways of a classic level, kinda like backing up with a trailer.
All I can say, as far as visibility and ease of use, they definitely beat vortex and spuhr (intergrated in mount) levels by a huge margin.
Vortex are hard to see hence why I had them close to my rear ring.
Accuracy 1st you can mount it forward and still see very well.
It will never beat spuhr for conceiling the level and having less stuff hang out your scope.
By the way I will have to relearn canting my rifle as it works opposite ways of a classic level, kinda like backing up with a trailer.
I don't disagree with your point that introducing cant into the system causes problems. One of the big reasons why I got a Uniqball UBH45 gimbal ballhead for my tripod.
There's a couple of problems with the bubble levels we use for precision rifle shooting.
1. They do not have a high degree of precision. Put 3 different bubble levels on your gun, they will each say something slightly different. These are $15-30 cheap a$$ vials (if they are even that). Even the more expensive accuracy 1st bubble levels aren't as precise as you would want for the work we do.
Look how sensitive (or lack thereof) that expensive Accuracy 1st bubble level is here
2. The vast majority of people don't check their bubble levels after the first shot, if they do at all. This is a common observation from precision rifle trainers. While not the fault of the level itself, the trend shows you are most likely to ignore your bubble.
If you are really worried about your rifle being level, perhaps you have an issue being inconsistent behind the rifle and introducing cant into the system, then at least get something with a good degree of accuracy, like the LRA Send It electronic level.
Different levels showing different level position when mounted on a rail is not a valid test for usefuleness. What counts is that the one level you have mounted is consistent (which even cheap ones are), and that it is perfectly plumb to your reticle. Whether you plumb your scope to a levelled rail mounted level or set a tube mounted level to a plumbed reticle, it makes no difference.
This argument baffles me.
The majority of people don’t check their level after first shot, therefore that is a reason not to have one unless you buy a Send-it?
I’ve heard Frank Galli’s argument against levels and do not agree with him. Shots into a valley with no horizon reference and converging ridgelines and terrain will fool your eyes which will override your sense of level.
FWIW Frank also believes heavy bullets drift more and that free recoil reduces muzzle velocity.
For the record I'm not necessarily against bubble levels. But I do think most people don't properly utilize them, plus they aren't as accurate as most people say they are.
I've found that I rarely if ever use my bubble levels, which as of right now are on most of my rifles, but when I do, I find that I'm never canted anymore. I always setup the same behind the rifle.
It's been forever since I've shot in the mountains, so I can't speak specifically to that.
If people want to buy bubble levels, have at it. Personally through experience, I find I need it less and less. I think there's better things to spend your money on. However, if you do get one, know what you are getting and use it.
I've found that I rarely if ever use my bubble levels, which as of right now are on most of my rifles, but when I do, I find that I'm never canted anymore. I always setup the same behind the rifle.
It's been forever since I've shot in the mountains, so I can't speak specifically to that.
If people want to buy bubble levels, have at it. Personally through experience, I find I need it less and less. I think there's better things to spend your money on. However, if you do get one, know what you are getting and use it.
It may be degrees. Inclinometers measure degrees.
A scope level is probably not that much help ata rifle range as the target stands etc. are usually at right angles and cant can be eliminated by using this reference. I do have them on several scopes for bench shooting, it is a final check on my bench set up.
Where they really shine is long range shots in the field as there are generally few, if any right angle references to insure that the vertical portion of the reticle is truly vertical . This eliminates the chance that the rifle is canted, thus eliminating the result of 'cant' down range.
I have several different brands , including Vortex, and have not had any issues.
Where they really shine is long range shots in the field as there are generally few, if any right angle references to insure that the vertical portion of the reticle is truly vertical . This eliminates the chance that the rifle is canted, thus eliminating the result of 'cant' down range.
I have several different brands , including Vortex, and have not had any issues.
I'll snap a few pictures and post them here before sending them for warranty.
The big picture, as soon as a Vortex lopro level hits -10C, it poops on me sooner or later.
my Vortex levels have seen far colder temperatures than -10c (good 'ole Saskatchewan winters) and are still ticking so far.
that being said, I'm not a fan of them - the bubble is much smaller than the space between the lines on both of mine, making it difficult to get perfectly level. with the bubble perfectly centered the lines are ~2mm away on either side of the bubble.
curious to see what you think of the Accuracy first levels, I've been eyeing them up for a while now.
that being said, I'm not a fan of them - the bubble is much smaller than the space between the lines on both of mine, making it difficult to get perfectly level. with the bubble perfectly centered the lines are ~2mm away on either side of the bubble.
curious to see what you think of the Accuracy first levels, I've been eyeing them up for a while now.
As soon as the range reopens I’ll let you know.
I will give a good honest feedback, if I could test it at 900M the better.
As in with most things in life, size matters. This is especially true with levels. The level is only as accurate as the length it has to work with. The longer the level, the more accurate it is. The shorter the level, the less accuracy it has. Putting a level on a rifle with less than an inch of surface area is most certainly inaccurate, especially given how sensitive they are to movement.
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I have (or had) and accuracy 1st level for just under a year? i think? not sure. Any ways, the vial is glass and can crack/break easy. I only found out mine was broken after I took my rifle out of the safe the day after a range trip and noticed all this weird ass fluid all over the scope and buttstock. Then when I picked up the gun and heard the rattle i knew the level was done. I had no idea why or how the scope level got broken, but I emailed accuracy 1st about it.
After a few emails they asked for my address, gave it to them, annnnnd that was it. I did a follow up email a month later about the matter but didn't get a reply.
YMMV.
After a few emails they asked for my address, gave it to them, annnnnd that was it. I did a follow up email a month later about the matter but didn't get a reply.
YMMV.
