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Many of us are members of the Half-Moon Club... you know what I'm talking about. :oops:
And I thought a little discussion about Eye-Relief on Scopes in practical hunting applications would benefit some of the new members. :idea:
Last year one of our youngest members gave himself a brutal gash using a scope on a slug gun... six stitches over his right eye. :shock:
This is something that can cost you a retina if you are not careful :!:
 
Been there done that. Last month when I shot my elk I got kissed right on the bridge of the nose.....I saw elk.....smoke then stars........it took 2 weeks for my bruise to go away. My scope it set up right, I shot from a sitting position to my left, across my body, I sure hope I will learn this time, this was the second time I got kissed by my encore.
 
What's the formula, standard calibers in hunting rifles= min 3" eye relief, magnum calibers in hunting rifles = 3.5"-4" eye relief.

My rem 700 30-06 kicks enough to touch my shooting glasses the odd time. This is with my t-shirt. Once hunting and I have my jacket on the rifle is now alittle farther from my face, which is nice.

Oh no scope bite yet but my shooting glasses have been hit at the range. :lol:
 
I've been there on TWO different occasions with TWO different buddies when they got the famed scar you talk about...

Experience 1... Buddy shooting his dad's 270 Win, I tell him he's creaping the scope, and he tells me to blow off... Bang, permanent scar, LOTS of blood... He still thinks I "jinxed" him!!!

Experience 2... Buddy shooting a friends 270 Win, gets ready to shoot, touches off the rifle early and smack, another scar... This one bled, but no where as bad as the other one...

What the hell is with the 270???

So, BE CAREFUL... I've been tapped, but never cut...

Cheers
Jay
 
I've only been kissed once (so far!). I know I creep up the stock, so I'm pretty careful, but this was while hunting and the adrenaline was pumping. It was an uphill shot and the scope hit me right on the brow and I'm man enough to admit I cried like a little girl.
 
I prefer the term "Weatherby Eyebrow". The one that hurt the most was the peak of my cap slipped between the scope and my forehead.Who knew peaks didn't bend. :oops:
Rich
 
Use a peep site, no problem :twisted:

Ihave felt the kiss of the scope a few times, but lucky me, that's all it was.
a freind of mine got hit so hard it nocked him cold. He was shooting a 270 and shooting uphill. He woke up covered in blood, and he got five stitches for his trouble.
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I used to have a scope mounted to my Win model 94 with see-thru scope mount.

I took it along for a canoe trip. Since it was early in the year and we still had a spring bear hunt. Along with us we brought a swiss guy who had been installing a machine for us. Anyway sooner then latter the rifle comes out for some practice. Mr.swiss army knife " Here give that to me" "I dont need any instructions, I was in the swiss army"

Well.... booom, AAHHHHHHH!


Hey youve got a second eyebrow but its all red... wonder when it will stop bleeding???


Well lesson learned for him :mrgreen:
 
A buddy of mine was shooting his 30-06. He had built this make shift blind out of pallets crawled in under it and was waiting for a deer me and my father in law were in the house watching the field to see if anything would come out
Sure enough a doe comes out (this is my buddies first time hunting)
We see the doe it walks right out into the opening and is standing there eating
We wait and wait but nothing. WELL then we here him shoot
Great ......the doe runs away.....we go out to see him and all there is is a pile of pallets with him sticking out from underneath I get to him and he's out cold :shock:
With blood all over his face
At first I thought OH NO!! Then he came to and jumped up out from under the pile
He had no clue what had happened and was asking were the deer was and why we were laughing so hard :lol: :lol:


I've been kissed but never cut :D
 
Back when I was a youngster and Warren Page was my hero, I recall he suggested that the ocular lens of the scope should line up with the cocking piece of a bolt action hunting rifle. At the time that advice seemed to make good sence, and still does. However since I began shooting heavy kickers I have become more enthusastic about forward mounted low powered scopes of the "scout" persuasion.
 
Weatherby Eyebrow is caused by an improperly mounted scope, too short a stock and crawling the stock. And new shooters using magnums they don't need.
 
I broke my nose the night before in a hockey fight and went hunting in the morning. We were shooting in the afternoon because we didn't see anything and I got caught pretty good right on the bridge of the nose :oops:

My job as a nose model went right downhill ever since that, I havn't even recieved a single call :lol:
 
Good thread BIGBREDD.

I've been lucky. The closest has been a little tap on the shooting glasses. I'm carefull though. I always bring my face to the stock then slide forward until the scope just starts to show a 100% view (maximum eye relief for the particular scope) and no further.
 
Heres some scope mounting advice...
Move the scope as far forward as you can.
If the power ring or eyepiece prevents you from achieving 3-3.5 inches of eye relief.. use extensionn rings or bases.
Ideally you should start with the ocular lens over the rear trigger guard screw.
If you need to move the scope back do it a little at a time.
Always stand to find your optimum eye relief... don't hunker over a bench or a repair vice to find your eye relief.

We are sluggunners down here and most of us use scoped rifled barreled shotguns.
Needless to say we have many members with Scope Scars... and there are very few rifles that will kiss your forehead with the authority of a sluggun :shock:
One of the worst scope-eyes I have ever seen was the one on our camp tough guy "Killer".
We set up for a first light push and he decided to sit on a fenceline blocking the main escape. There was no stand so he borrowed a fold out seat from Big Tony that put his ass on the ground with his knees up in front of him, Killer thought this was very comfortable.... :roll:
When I pushed that buck over the hill to him I only heard the one shot... I thought this was a good sign... I was wrong... I didn't recognize Killer he had so much blood on his face... you could see almost a half inch of white bone in the gap :cry:
He later told us that the seat had him bent over like a dog screwing a football and when he pulled the trigger it knocked him right over.... he regained enough vision just in time to see the deer bounding across the road unharmed....:lol:
He has opened that eye up three times in four years... but will not buy a long eye relief scope :?

I cannot stress enough the importance of proper mounting and awarness of eyerelief... always watch a new shooter on the bench and caution him about the danger :!: :idea:
 
HA!!!!!! With my heavy kicking gun, I always get a firm hold, carefully line up the crosshairs with the target, jerk my head to the left a split second before I jerk the trigger :mrgreen: . Works for me, no scars :) , can't hit (insert swear here) with a scope thou :shock: :lol: :lol:
 
Last year my dad brought me out shooting for the first time. So we pack the 7600 in 30-06 and head for the range. So we get there and set up. He hands me the rifle and i'm all excited like a school girl on prom night. I sit at the bench, take the caps off the scope, line up the target and settle in what i tought was the right position with a clear view. Yeah :roll: Pull the trigger BOOM i get smashed in the glasses by the scope. The thing is, when you have glasses, it screws up your eye relief, and you have to be closer to have a nice view. Too close as a matter of fact. Now i shoot with shooting glasses and my glasses off. It also gave me alot of flinch. But i pretty much got rid of it, thank god
 
A certain gun smith who is of British heritage and who subsequently moved to BC (ahem, no names, no pack drill, I saw him post here once or twice :evil: )......did some work for me on Franchi semi-auto 12 ga. The Franchi (model 48 IIRC) was a VERY light-weight shotgun, great for waterfowl hunting when we could still use lead shot. But the (full choke) barrel was too thin to bore out for modified, so I decided to have it cut down for a slug gun. The alleged gunsmith who knew everything :roll: cut and crowned my gun, and also at my request mounted a standard Weaver rail, rings and scope. When I got the gun back from him he told me that the scope installation was permanent, and I could never turn this back into a waterfowl gun. :!: No problem, that was why I paid him to cut it and set it up as a slug gun.

Sighting in said gun I was by myself way the hell at the back of a buddy's property. I sighted in buddy's rifle, then one for myself, then set up another target to sight in the 12 ga. First round was slightly high. Second round was slightly high also and touching round #1. Just to confirm the shots before making a scope adjustment, I aimed about three inches low for shot #3. I had the impression that there was a bit of an explosion, and I could not see the target properly. :?: (I shoot with both eyes open). Then I noticed that it seemd to be raining, as my face was getting quite wet. :?: Then I noticed that there was no scope on my gun. :? Then I noticed that I was bleeding like a stuck pig. :shock: Then I saw the scope and rings and rail about six feet from me............. :shock: :shock: :shock:

The scope, etc had left the gun, rather forcibly I might add, shearing three of the mounting screws and bending the other two at about a 45 degree angle. Said scope departed the gun, caught me square between the peepers, opened me up to the skull, and bounced about six feet off my skull.

Well I had some toilet paper in my coat (of course) so got that onto the wound, picked up my three empties just in case it was an ammo accident, put the guns in cases, and called my buddy on my cell phone, then drove his Argo back out to his house.

It could easily have killed me, but all that happened was a bunch of stitches, some inside and some outside, a few weeks of migraines and double vision, and a permanent scar.

And the smith refused to return my calls or letters, so I dealt with his insurance company, who agreed that pain, suffering, a blown-up gun, and permanent disfigurement were worth a few shekels. And it also ended my TV career.....

Doug
 
Well I'll add my own experience in here....1st time to the range with a factory spec Remington BDL 700 S/S with composite factory stock and a Bushnell 4-12x40 3200 scope and 180 grain siroccos. Shot off about a dozen rounds from the bench and started to get tired...so I lightend up on the grip a little....well.......wapp! right between the eyes ...blood...stars...laughter :evil: :oops: :x then the tears. Can't help the tears....bodies reaction to having the #### kicked out of your nose. :oops: Took 3 weeks to heal and still have the scare to prove it......sold the scope right quick and bought a Leupold VXIII 4.5-14x50 with 4.5 " of releif 8) I'm feeling much better now and got a longer stiffer stock to boot
 
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