scope mounting question

To lap or not to lap. For those that mount there own scopes, do you lap your rings?
Just picked up a Rem 700 Long Range in 7mm Rem mag and for the first time I'm going to mount my own scope and timney trigger and do my own bedding.
I've been looking at all kinds of on line info and of course have found tons of conflicting opinions.
What do you do for the rings and do you have any other tips for a newbie tweaker for the trigger and bedding, maybe just things to look out for that might save me some grief from doing dumb newbie things.
 
I usually use Burris Signature Zee rings with the plastic inserts these days when I mount a scope and they do not require any lapping at all so it is not an issue for me.
Check them out. You can also introduce some vertical cant into your scope setup with these rings by using different plastic inserts (eg. -5MOA, -10MOA) and are really easy on the scope and leave almost no marks. They work very well in my opinion.
 
I personally use one-piece bases, Warne or EGW and Warne Rings only. Never have any binding problems.

If using 2 piece bases I would only use high end products as this is usually when you have problems.

GST
 
A few years ago I bought a rifle that required different scope ring heights. I had trouble mounting the scope so I bought a scope mounting kit by Wheeler. It came with a lapping bar and alignment bars. Long story short, I properly aligned the rings then lapped. I was surprised that they required lapping. I never considered it with my older rifles and rings. It's standard practice for me now.
 
What have you got to loose by either lapping or not lapping?

You do have a considerable amount of money invested in your combination.

What brand of rings and bases are you using?

Did you use a solid bar to align the front and rear rings?

Are you certain they are square?

Then lapping maybe in the near future for your scope/ring set-up.

Me I like to fix things till they break and have used a piece of round stock to align the front/rear rings and thus have never had to lap
the rings.
But, using it for hunting have never felt the alignment being an issue any more than having to change out a stock due to alleged inaccuracy issues.
General it has been a few simple fitment issues when mounting to the firearm to the shoulder.

Tight Groups,
Rob
 
I usually use Burris Signature Zee rings with the plastic inserts these days when I mount a scope and they do not require any lapping at all so it is not an issue for me.
Check them out. You can also introduce some vertical cant into your scope setup with these rings by using different plastic inserts (eg. -5MOA, -10MOA) and are really easy on the scope and leave almost no marks. They work very well in my opinion.

:agree:
 
Buying a quality mounting system should negate lapping rings, all things being equal. BUT, if you find the rings don't line up, or the scope binds, then lapping should correct this. I have TPS and Nightforce rings and bases and didn't have to touch them. I also have Weaver and Leupold rings that required minor lapping to true things up. Dry-fit everything to check and go from there.
 
I've never lapped a set of rings and I've never marked a scope.

And yes, I have rifles with scopes on them...smartasses!

No Sir, that was un-called for ;)
Some people just like to fiddle fart around for no reason other than they like to fiddle fart with something that isnt already broke yet.
I too have never lapped a set of rings, nor am I suggesting I am perfect in setting up my scopes...I generally like to fix things till they break and at $70.oo for bases and rings I am happy with my Vanilla Leupold hardware.
Doesnt mean I do not consider lapping from time to time, but have had great success with a quick bore sight and then a trip to the gravel pit to confirm and fine tune.
Works for moi.
Tight Groups and Cut Tags !!!!
PS, any Sheep or Goat Hunters back yet?
Rob
 
For what it's worth Talley recommend against lapping their rings. Here is what they say:

"We do not recommend lapping any of our mounts. Since they are machined, it really eliminates the need to do so. Since the lightweight mounts are horizontally split, you can lap if you would like.
We highly advise against lapping our steel rings. Since they are a vertically split ring, lapping can knock them out of round.
Our Picatinny rings, although horizontal split, do not need to be lapped either. They are a match grade ring and are perfectly round when they come off the machine.

Note: If you lap any Talley rings, it will void any return policy since the mounts have been modified. "
 
Here are a few words that I've recently posted on another forum:

A Remington 700 TI comes into the shop. The owner complains that it cannot hold zero. I remove the scope and see deep ring marks on the tube at the fore end. I drop Wheeler alignment bars and note a 3/32" offset fore to aft. Rings are out of alignment. I then drop a precision bar and tighten it on the aft ring and allow the fore ring to float. There is a visible gap between the top of receiver and bottom of base. Feeler gauge shows a 0.010" gap at the rear of the base but would not fit under the front of the base. The front ring is canted downward. A 0.010" stainless shim is cut and placed under the rear portion of the fore base.

Once the canted base has been corrected, let do some light lapping against Talley's recommendation. Low and behold, ring material is being slightly lapped off the sides and bottom. Once again, we drop the Wheeler alignment bars into the rings. Dang it anyways, the points are looking dead center in both elevation an windage alignment to each other. Good news.

Next, comes mounting a scope in the rings. The scope has been set to it's mechanical and optical center. Should it line up with a decent centering using an optical columinator? Yes it does, actually, it takes about 4 clicks of a 1/4 MOA scope to bring it right dead center.

Thus, my story is that Talleys' claim to their rings not requiring adjustment is nothing more than BS advertisement. Their rings as with all other out there cannot compensate for receiver height accuracy nor the accuracy with which scope holes are drilled to thus affecting both windage and elevation accuracy when all is mounted. Talley, no matter how great their rings and rings bases are cannot compensate for receiver inaccuracies.

Remember something. All parts of your firearm and the gadgets that you mount on it are manufactured to tolerance. Sometimes, those tolerances either being minus or plus can work either for you or against you. Precise measurements are the only way to determine what you end up with.

Think of it this way. Most commonly made scopes sold these days are made of an aluminum tube. The internal mechanism which are your turrets are a very precise instrument. If you disturb the tube which holds the internals of such precise instruments, the accuracy downrange is highly compromised.

I must apologize for being so long winded. However, I would like to educate some of you folks that if you desire optimal accuracy from your optics, there's a bit more involved than some duffus dropping the scope into the lower ring halves and tightening the upper halves. Well Duhhhh.
 
Mounted hundreds of scopes. Just finished scoping an ultralite 5 mins ago. Never lapped one of them. Never had a problem. Never got a single complaint. Not convinced it is necessary.
 
I usually use Burris Signature Zee rings with the plastic inserts these days when I mount a scope and they do not require any lapping at all so it is not an issue for me.
Check them out. You can also introduce some vertical cant into your scope setup with these rings by using different plastic inserts (eg. -5MOA, -10MOA) and are really easy on the scope and leave almost no marks. They work very well in my opinion.

The Burris ring, IMHO, are a cure for bad machining.

Not necessary if you're happy with 1 MOA. But if you strive for tighter, you ought to consider it. :)

I have a couple of rifles that will do less than a 1/4" MOA, IF I do my part.
 
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