if you are on a range shooting set distances they really are the cats meow. There is a very nice Leupold fixed 12x in the ee for 375, good price, and great scope for the money. I just sold an older BL for $130 shipped, 6-18 with AO, again great optic for a range rifle at short distances. At 25 and 50 you really need to take the parrallax factor out if you want to be accurate and you can only do that with an AO scope. it makes almost 1/2" difference at 50 yards. its a big deal.