scout mount
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Yes, they make them for the M305. I believe XS has scout mounts for the No1 and No4 as well.
Here's a Springfield Armory scout mount on my N14. The long eye relief makes head position less critical and it allows for a lower sight line. It doesn't need a cheek piece to get you head in the right place either. A small red dot like an Aimpoint H1 or Burris FastFire may even co-witness.
Here's a Springfield Armory scout mount on my N14. The long eye relief makes head position less critical and it allows for a lower sight line. It doesn't need a cheek piece to get you head in the right place either. A small red dot like an Aimpoint H1 or Burris FastFire may even co-witness.
aimpoint micro
Yes the aimpoint micro does co witness. I drop the peep down for clear view of the aimpoint window - or crank it up to the 100 yd setting to co witness
Yes, they make them for the M305. I believe XS has scout mounts for the No1 and No4 as well.
Here's a Springfield Armory scout mount on my N14. The long eye relief makes head position less critical and it allows for a lower sight line. It doesn't need a cheek piece to get you head in the right place either. A small red dot like an Aimpoint H1 or Burris FastFire may even co-witness.
Yes the aimpoint micro does co witness. I drop the peep down for clear view of the aimpoint window - or crank it up to the 100 yd setting to co witness
To add to Stevo's arguments. Because of the eye relief, it is much quicker to acquire targets from a low ready position to the shoulder. The M14's design ergonomics was meant to be used with iron sights. The IER set-up take full advantage of this.
Like Stevo said, the need for a cheek piece in order to position the head for the right focus on a reciever mounted scope is critical. Because the bolt area is free from obstacles, jamming is easy to clear and potentially minimal. Plus, the use of stripper clips are possible as you mentioned.
Since most hunting engagements with an M14 happens way below 500 meters, the high power magnification, I believe is not necessary. In a tactical competition like IPSC or Service Condition matches, it is easier to scan and engage multiple targets when under stress and in poor lighting conditions.
No one can tell me that it's not a precise enough rifle for under 500m shooting. I tested this set up at 2 Service Condition Matches as a newbie. I won the first one as best tyro, and broke 500 points plus best tyro at the second one. I couldn't believe that I was getting that kind of result with the IER, but I did. This is using a Burris 2.75 IER scope on my Norc with chu wood while everyone else were using higher power scopes on their ARs.
I really believe in the IER set up. Combine that with a good scope and a reliable M14, you can do anything with it IMHO.
Well I am thinking of buying an m-305 but I was wondering what I would do with it.. aside from shoot at the range. And I realized it would simply be a good all around gun. Like the Scout but semi auto.
Then I realized that in most situations, I will be shooting it standing offhand. Which means a high powered scope is no use anyway.
So i'm thinking: m-305 with synthetic stock, scount mount and scope, and sling.
Good enough for most applications?
One more question: Any use for the flash hider? Why not remove it?
Then I realized that in most situations, I will be shooting it standing offhand. Which means a high powered scope is no use anyway.
So i'm thinking: m-305 with synthetic stock, scount mount and scope, and sling.
Good enough for most applications?
One more question: Any use for the flash hider? Why not remove it?
Nice rig ton45-II. What scope is that on there?
Flash suppressor, not flash hider. Why leave it? Well, it looks cool and it elimates the flash if you're shooting in dusky conditions. The "look" of the N14 is just wrong without, it as well.
A BFG Vickers sling is a good choice for a two point, or you can add a single point mount like this one:
Flash suppressor, not flash hider. Why leave it? Well, it looks cool and it elimates the flash if you're shooting in dusky conditions. The "look" of the N14 is just wrong without, it as well.
A BFG Vickers sling is a good choice for a two point, or you can add a single point mount like this one:
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Stevo, what stock is on your rifle? (The one with the single point sling)
I already have a BFG Soc-C (Thanks to RobertMcc)
What's the best setup to use it in? single/double/triple point?
What's this I read about 45acpking fiberglass stocks? Any pics?
I already have a BFG Soc-C (Thanks to RobertMcc)
What's the best setup to use it in? single/double/triple point?
What's this I read about 45acpking fiberglass stocks? Any pics?
It's the same stock as in my first pics, just before I painted it. It's a USGI fibreglass stock. You can see the swivel in this pic:
Best sling setup is situational. For range use, 3 gun, or "tactical" style shooting, I prefer the single point. For bush carry, a two or three point is the way to go.
Best sling setup is situational. For range use, 3 gun, or "tactical" style shooting, I prefer the single point. For bush carry, a two or three point is the way to go.
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I use the Scout Mount on the 98K.
Try Wolverine for the SA mount. It's not on their price list, but you never know.
Marstar list as shorter scout mount, suitable for an optic using a single ring, like an Aimpoint.
Note on the Marstar scout mount....works on chinese barrels only! IF you've re-barreled your gun with an american made barrel (either USGI, criterion, or LRB), the hole in the marstar mount is too large to clamp effectively. 
The rooster33 mount, springfield mount, or ultimak mount are your only options. For a single ring, the rooster is the way to go.
Re: Scout mounted Aimpoint Micro - I was super excited about this when they first came out and rushed out to buy one. About half way through my first range session it was so hot that the o-rings started to smoke (approximately 50 rounds into my fighting rifle fitness steel plates drills). Kinda had me freaked out as this never happened with my regular aimpoints, so I switched back. I guess the extra mass, sruface area, and metal of the regular aimpoint makes for a way more effective heat sink. As always with the internet....my humble opinion only.
Brobee
The rooster33 mount, springfield mount, or ultimak mount are your only options. For a single ring, the rooster is the way to go.Re: Scout mounted Aimpoint Micro - I was super excited about this when they first came out and rushed out to buy one. About half way through my first range session it was so hot that the o-rings started to smoke (approximately 50 rounds into my fighting rifle fitness steel plates drills). Kinda had me freaked out as this never happened with my regular aimpoints, so I switched back. I guess the extra mass, sruface area, and metal of the regular aimpoint makes for a way more effective heat sink. As always with the internet....my humble opinion only.
Brobee
Any you guys using scout mounts experience a "cooked scope" other than what Brobee mentioned on his Aimpoint Micro? When I was first exploring the IER set up, I read someone mention this phenomena. I never experienced it because I never had the opportunity to keep my M14 on a long sustained fire.
I never actually planned it to be a support gun for cover fire. This is were I would be careful on the use of a scout mount. If we were to get technical on the scout rifle configuration as stipulated by Jeff Cooper, my M14 would not meet the criteria – too heavy.
BTW Stevo, I'm using a Burris Scout Scope at a fixed 2.75 magnification.
I never actually planned it to be a support gun for cover fire. This is were I would be careful on the use of a scout mount. If we were to get technical on the scout rifle configuration as stipulated by Jeff Cooper, my M14 would not meet the criteria – too heavy.
BTW Stevo, I'm using a Burris Scout Scope at a fixed 2.75 magnification.
For my money the nork 14s are the best all-rounder gun there is! If I could only ever have one gun for the rest of my life to cover all situations, I would definitely put the M14 pattern up at the top of the list.
There isn't any REAL use for the flash hider, but I just can't bring myself to go without one, looks too strange for me!
Note on the Marstar scout mount....works on chinese barrels only! IF you've re-barreled your gun with an american made barrel (either USGI, criterion, or LRB), the hole in the marstar mount is too large to clamp effectively.
Re: Scout mounted Aimpoint Micro - I was super excited about this when they first came out and rushed out to buy one. About half way through my first range session it was so hot that the o-rings started to smoke (approximately 50 rounds into my fighting rifle fitness steel plates drills). Kinda had me freaked out as this never happened with my regular aimpoints, so I switched back. I guess the extra mass, sruface area, and metal of the regular aimpoint makes for a way more effective heat sink. As always with the internet....my humble opinion only.
Brobee
Great info, Brobee. Was there any damage to the Aimpoint? Do you think the heat sink issue would be lessened with a larger rail system like the Ultimak or SA cluster rail?
To echo what misanthropist said, there's not much you can't do with an N14. Zombies, deer, 3 gun, plinking, Service Rifle, you can do it all with one rifle.
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No damage to the micro that I could see, but it was definately too hot to touch for a couple minutes and I was sufficiently worried that with prolongued use it would melt some of the soldered circuitry that I "regressed" back to a 2moa aimpoint comp M3.
I think the ultimak rail would be ok with the micro....it has a huge surface area that I bet dissipates heat pretty quickly whereas the small scout mounts I like to use only have a small fraction of that kindof surface area. I don't have any experience with the ultimak rail though, so I don't know how much contact area there is between the rail, mounting system, and the barrel.
With respect to the SA standard scout rail....I didn't try it with the micro but I suspect it would not be that different than the steel rooster rail. Mind you the SA rail has about 2 to 3 times the surface area of the rooster rail...so maybe it would be ok. I've never seen the SA cluster rail, so can't comment.
Re: technically too heavy to be a true scout....true (and I have a lovely real-deal scout rifle that kills deer every year), however as a handy short range big bore semi (300 yards or less....not that much of a short range gun!) a "scout" configured M1A is, IMHO, king of the heap. Despite it's increased weight over my bolt action scout, I take my M1A out hunting way, way more. To each their own I guess....
I just wish more people made scout-style intermediate eye relief optics.
I think the ultimak rail would be ok with the micro....it has a huge surface area that I bet dissipates heat pretty quickly whereas the small scout mounts I like to use only have a small fraction of that kindof surface area. I don't have any experience with the ultimak rail though, so I don't know how much contact area there is between the rail, mounting system, and the barrel.
With respect to the SA standard scout rail....I didn't try it with the micro but I suspect it would not be that different than the steel rooster rail. Mind you the SA rail has about 2 to 3 times the surface area of the rooster rail...so maybe it would be ok. I've never seen the SA cluster rail, so can't comment.
Re: technically too heavy to be a true scout....true (and I have a lovely real-deal scout rifle that kills deer every year), however as a handy short range big bore semi (300 yards or less....not that much of a short range gun!) a "scout" configured M1A is, IMHO, king of the heap. Despite it's increased weight over my bolt action scout, I take my M1A out hunting way, way more. To each their own I guess....
I just wish more people made scout-style intermediate eye relief optics.
