See through rings, the FUDD mount! It works!
- Thread starter John Y Cannuck
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
Just don't buy cheap ones. If I remember right, the ones in my pic, are Burris. But I've had them for 15 years or so, and my memory sucks. They are neither light, not flimsy.
Ironic..... Tell people a milsurp SKS is not a good hunting rifle and they become a swarm of bees...... Show a proven and useable site system fom days of yore and they chime in that it is crap and anyone using one is a fudd.... Lol
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
Well, so far, 15 years, it's not been an issue. The height over bore is much smaller than the kill zone of any big game animal I'm after. In that regard, there are large varmint scopes that would have a similar distance between the line of sight, and bore.
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
I think people have been indoctrinated by shooting rags, and by some of the light weight crap rings that were on the market years ago. I had a Lyman tip off rig on the rifle at one point, that was an incredibly heavy mount, and it held zero too. Thing of that was, the base was so thick, I couldn't see the sights over it without changing them out.
The trouble with see through rings is that they make the iron sights less effective than they would be without looking through the junk, and they make the scope less effective than it would be if you mounted it properly.
The reason they were "popular" was that very few hunters had ever had the opportunity to look through a 2-7x Leupold, or Zeiss or other modern top quality scopes, which are actually the fastest, most accurate sighting mechanism you can have on a hunting rifle if they are properly mounted. Modern scopes make see through rings anachronistic. Use them if you want, but don't try to tell me they are ideal for anything.
The reason they were "popular" was that very few hunters had ever had the opportunity to look through a 2-7x Leupold, or Zeiss or other modern top quality scopes, which are actually the fastest, most accurate sighting mechanism you can have on a hunting rifle if they are properly mounted. Modern scopes make see through rings anachronistic. Use them if you want, but don't try to tell me they are ideal for anything.
blasted_saber
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- A blue part of Ontario
I know a few guys who have these (or tip offs) and none of them have ever bothered to use the irons. They always go to the scope.
I use a modern low power scope and have never had an issue finding deer no matter how close they are or how fast theyre moving
I use a modern low power scope and have never had an issue finding deer no matter how close they are or how fast theyre moving
I actually have a set of see throughs on my SR-22 as they were the highest rings I could find for a reasonable price. I think they were actually about $12.
FOr the SR-22 thy work quite well due to the straight AR style buttstock. I guess it's a Tacti-Fudd .22!
FOr the SR-22 thy work quite well due to the straight AR style buttstock. I guess it's a Tacti-Fudd .22!
Put a set of see through rings on anything and it can be Fudd
then you need a ruger to weaver adapter ....
That can only be because you haven't had close quick shots with a good quality, properly mounted scope, set to an appropriate power. Or tried to find a close quick shot with iron sights that are dark and blurry, and have a narrow field of view through the frame of see through mounts.
Nothing is faster and more accurate than a good quality scope, mounted properly for the gun and shooter and at the proper power level.
Oh, I said that once already.
Stick yuor scope on low power, keep both eyes open. I've shot several animals at much closer ranges than 30 yards with a scope on 1x-5x
After testing, the military concluded that low powered optics are quicker to use than open sights.
Yeah, they should have just asked hunters that hunt thick stuff and wide open country at the same time!
My reply to the "What will you do with your guns when you die" thread:
My daughter if she want them.
My see through rings on my BLR, will be removed and melted down to a lump. Just to spare her the embarrassment should she ever join CGN.
Yeah, they should have just asked hunters that hunt thick stuff and wide open country at the same time!
Unfortunately some people's experiences with rifle scopes is limited to cheap garbage scopes, or to scopes that are not mounted to provide proper eye relief and cheek weld, so these people remain ignorant as to how well a quality scope that is properly mounted can work.
Actually the situational awareness was better. For quick shots at 25 metres we were taught to use instinctive shooting; no sights, pointing finger running along the forestock toward target, staring at target and double tap. Once you let go and practice enough it works quite well.
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but....
I know a lot of older guys that went with see-thru rings when Quebec (and ON) went buck only. These guys hunted iron sighted Winchesters (44-40, 32 spl.) their whole lives and shot anything of a decent size. Then the buck only rules came in and all of a sudden they had to see what's growing out of the beasts' head before shooting. So they bought new rifles and put the scopes on more as a spotting scope than a shooting scope. They'd make sure it was a buck, then old habits kick in and they drop down to the irons.
I guess I'm fuddish for hunting as well because I use Weaver see-thrus on my hunting rifle to quickly acquire the sight pic., then I use the scope. Of course Manitoba has gone buck only now, so I'm having to check for antlers now as well.
I know a lot of older guys that went with see-thru rings when Quebec (and ON) went buck only. These guys hunted iron sighted Winchesters (44-40, 32 spl.) their whole lives and shot anything of a decent size. Then the buck only rules came in and all of a sudden they had to see what's growing out of the beasts' head before shooting. So they bought new rifles and put the scopes on more as a spotting scope than a shooting scope. They'd make sure it was a buck, then old habits kick in and they drop down to the irons.
I guess I'm fuddish for hunting as well because I use Weaver see-thrus on my hunting rifle to quickly acquire the sight pic., then I use the scope. Of course Manitoba has gone buck only now, so I'm having to check for antlers now as well.
