Sell IT ALL NoW!!
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ya I was just see who buys into the hype, kinda funny responses though. LMFAO
Not entirely correct - lower pressure applied more evenly would work for faster bullets. The problem with single-chamber chemical propellant guns is the pressure spikes and drops rapidly. If you could arrange the propellant such that it maintained pressure, the bullet would go faster. Think of pushing a child on a swing: a short forceful push gets no better results than a longer less forceful push. Or one could arrange for more chambers, a lighter propellant gas, etc. Google "harp" and "gerald bull".
in the same paragraph you make a point and then disprove it
"lower pressure applied more evenly would work for faster bullets."
"a short forceful push gets no better results than a longer less forceful push."
The both result in the same action on the swing
I think I get your point acrashb, but isn't that what we do by using slower burning powders when we reload? In the YouTube video I've highlighted, Hornady makes specific reference to this, and denies that that's what they're doing.
Nope. If a short full-force push gets the same speed as a longer less-forceful push (which is what I said)... then a longer full-force push will get you even more speed. Have a look at the pressure curve they're promoting- notice that the pressure is noticeably higher on the tail (past-peak) part of the curve.
Superperformance ammo
The manufacturers are using proprietary powders, etc. to achieve 100-200 fps more velocity......so???
Carefully handloaded ammo is more consistent, more accurate, and a helluva lot cheaper than factory ammo.
Under what conditions will 100-200 fps make a measurable difference?
In hunting, proper bullet selection, and above all, shot placement, will bring good results.
The manufacturers are using proprietary powders, etc. to achieve 100-200 fps more velocity......so???
Carefully handloaded ammo is more consistent, more accurate, and a helluva lot cheaper than factory ammo.
Under what conditions will 100-200 fps make a measurable difference?
In hunting, proper bullet selection, and above all, shot placement, will bring good results.
To some extend it is, but slower-burning powders require longer barrels to work (and there are limits imposed by thermodynamics / friction). For example, I can reload 9mm with HS-9, a relatively slow pistol powder, and get great results in a pistol-calibre carbine with a 16" barrel. Much better than would be possible with, say, Clays. The same load in a 4.25" barrel will not be much if any better than the Clays load.
If, with a given barrel length, we "simply" extend the pressure on the tail end of the curve by altering the powder (or by stacking charges with inhibitors in between them as is, I've recently discovered, done in naval cannon), then the velocity is higher for a given peak pressure.
So maybe Hornady is full of it and they've just stuffed more powder in (risking litigation if they've exceeded SAAMI recommendations), or maybe they're actually using a custom powder with more-optimal burn characteristics. If so, we'll see it on the market in the future.
3000 fps with a 165 in the 30-06?? This is news?? While factory loadings in the '06 tend to be "soft" and 2800 is advertised velocity with the 165 in this chambering, any knowledgeable reloader knows that even in a 22" tube, most 30-06 rifles will deliver 2800+ with a 180 grain bullet. Drop 15 grains of bullet weight and the slightly shorter contact area, and velocities immediately go into the 2950 area. I have had a couple of 24" barrelled 30-06 rifles that would make 3000 with the 165 with powders we have right now, without pressure signs that threw up the caution flag. Eagleye.
How many bullets from .243 to .300 win mag can be loaded with the same powder... if they are using some specialized powder they claim it works in every hunting caliber so if they are using only one type of powder is it possible it can work in every caliber??? I was also wondering if they are playing tricks with bullet weights... ie a slightly light bullet then what they are advertising on the box...
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they claim that they are not using one powder but a blend that the reciepe is changed for each specfic load, the stuff that I've read says they are blending and crushing different powders to acheive a more rounded pressure curve than a quick spike, Blah Blah Blah..... If handloaders can't get the powder or there exact receipe it's not going to stop us from handloading, they seem to think eveyone will stop handloading and buy superformance because the results (in thier opinion) are better than what an average hanloader can expect to acheive. LOL.
That or we'll soon be ordering the new "Lee Powder Blender" that comes with an iron clad disclaimer
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well of course and a titainium rolling pin to crush the powder, you know the ol lady'll kick yer arse if you steal the one from the kitchen.hehehe. I always crush my powder while enjoying a fine cigar too, no guts no glory.LOL
