I been told that they are part of the Museum of Civilization and they are udner orders from the museum to play down weapons and war and focus on human suffering of war and how war is bad for growing flowers.
Selling Canadian Military History
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I been told that they are part of the Museum of Civilization and they are udner orders from the museum to play down weapons and war and focus on human suffering of war and how war is bad for growing flowers.
I agree, Stanfield was the best Prime Minister we never had. The Winchester is available on Joe's Canadian site. I, too remember the "good old days" when war trophies abounded. I remember buying a like new Lanchester with the tags on it and the breech lightly torched shut from a local scrap dealer for $3.00. Stens and Brens were everywhere.
mcpherson284
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I can honestly say that I have personally, on more than one occasion, sat down with Joe and had a good conversation. Personally, I am becoming tired with the way Canadian guns guys view prices on their used guns. There are those that want to sell their stuff at the American Blue Book value, which might list... say an FN FAL at $1500, but if you are selling the same gun, and that same guy walks by, he will try and tell you it is only a $500 gun as it is Prohib, blah blah blah.
Then there are the guys that are selling things like Antique Webleys that have had the back of the cylinder turned down so that .45 ACP can be used and then hanging a $2600-$3600 price tag on a gun that has just lost its collector value, and on top of that has taken it from Antique Status and put it in to either restricted status or even Prohib.
Then there are the genuine Antique sellers, "this is the best condition S&W No. 3 you will ever find", well, as my buddy said the last time he heard this line, come over to the table I am at and have a look at the 3 No.3's that I have, one of which is for sale at $2600. It is in 75% + original condition and has a Good/Very Good barrel.
Then there are the Class Clown experts. These are the guys I hate the most, and I will give an example of why I say this. I know a guy, here on Vancouver Island that a number of years ago had an all original Lee Enfield No.4 Mk.1 (T), and yes, it was in fact a Longbranch. As he was starting to feel the years, and realizing that there was no family members for things like this to go to, he started selling things off. When it came to the "T", he put a $2200 Price tag on it, very resonable if you as me. But to cover his backside, he had it check out by a local Lee Enfield expert. It was indeed correct, though the Scope was not numbered to the gun, very common actually. Anyway, off to the show with the Lee and he sat with it all weekend and had LOTS of offers. Actually, that isn't correct, he had lots of guys try and tell he what was wrong with the gun, nickel and dime him into trying to get the price way down. Finally, he got tired of it, sent it down south of the boarder to be sold, and ended up getting over $4000 in his pocket!
I know of a similar case with a Colt Commercial WW1 1911 in 98% original condition that was "C" broad arrow marked, Joe sold that one for $5000. Once again, lots of guys try and tell he what was wrong with the gun, nickel and dime him into trying to get the price way down. Finally, buddy got tired of it, sent it down south of the boarder to be sold!
I personally talked to Joe about my Howa M1-Carbine that is US marked. After seeing the condition of the Carbines at the Calgary Easter show last year, and their prices, I didn`t even bother putting it on the table. Seeing Inland and other Carbines that were well used, and sewer pipes for barrels and $1600 price tags, I wasn`t even going to bother. but as Joe and I talked, while my Howa wasn`t American built, it is an American design, blah blah blah, and it can`t go back down.
So, cry about Joe if you will, or be more reasonable about the fact that some of the Canadiana may have been down there for years, or maybe the seller got tired of being Nickeled and Dimed about what others thought was "Wrong" with his gun. I have seen more guys drolling over a faked M1D than the guys that have done their research on things like this and known better to "Not Engaged" in deals with faked or not original guns.
Joe, if you by chance see this, keep up the good work.
Then there are the guys that are selling things like Antique Webleys that have had the back of the cylinder turned down so that .45 ACP can be used and then hanging a $2600-$3600 price tag on a gun that has just lost its collector value, and on top of that has taken it from Antique Status and put it in to either restricted status or even Prohib.
Then there are the genuine Antique sellers, "this is the best condition S&W No. 3 you will ever find", well, as my buddy said the last time he heard this line, come over to the table I am at and have a look at the 3 No.3's that I have, one of which is for sale at $2600. It is in 75% + original condition and has a Good/Very Good barrel.
Then there are the Class Clown experts. These are the guys I hate the most, and I will give an example of why I say this. I know a guy, here on Vancouver Island that a number of years ago had an all original Lee Enfield No.4 Mk.1 (T), and yes, it was in fact a Longbranch. As he was starting to feel the years, and realizing that there was no family members for things like this to go to, he started selling things off. When it came to the "T", he put a $2200 Price tag on it, very resonable if you as me. But to cover his backside, he had it check out by a local Lee Enfield expert. It was indeed correct, though the Scope was not numbered to the gun, very common actually. Anyway, off to the show with the Lee and he sat with it all weekend and had LOTS of offers. Actually, that isn't correct, he had lots of guys try and tell he what was wrong with the gun, nickel and dime him into trying to get the price way down. Finally, he got tired of it, sent it down south of the boarder to be sold, and ended up getting over $4000 in his pocket!
I know of a similar case with a Colt Commercial WW1 1911 in 98% original condition that was "C" broad arrow marked, Joe sold that one for $5000. Once again, lots of guys try and tell he what was wrong with the gun, nickel and dime him into trying to get the price way down. Finally, buddy got tired of it, sent it down south of the boarder to be sold!
I personally talked to Joe about my Howa M1-Carbine that is US marked. After seeing the condition of the Carbines at the Calgary Easter show last year, and their prices, I didn`t even bother putting it on the table. Seeing Inland and other Carbines that were well used, and sewer pipes for barrels and $1600 price tags, I wasn`t even going to bother. but as Joe and I talked, while my Howa wasn`t American built, it is an American design, blah blah blah, and it can`t go back down.
So, cry about Joe if you will, or be more reasonable about the fact that some of the Canadiana may have been down there for years, or maybe the seller got tired of being Nickeled and Dimed about what others thought was "Wrong" with his gun. I have seen more guys drolling over a faked M1D than the guys that have done their research on things like this and known better to "Not Engaged" in deals with faked or not original guns.
Joe, if you by chance see this, keep up the good work.
If it wasn't for the bigger on-line sellers, including Joe Salter, (and EE on this forum) I wouldn't have been able to build my Lee-Enfield collection. A lot of interesting milsurps in this country must get absorbed into collections, not to see the light of day again, until the owner kicks the bucket or decides to sell off everything at an advanced age. The interesting stuff certainly doesn't seem to show up at shows very often- the recent Calgary spring show being a prime example. Perhaps a lot of stuff moves directly from collector to collector via word of mouth sales. All I know is that after three years of searching for a decent No. 1 MkIII(no star) I actually had to import one from the USA. The few examples I saw for sale at shows (and on-line in Canada) were either in horrible shape or horribly expensive or both!
Milsurpo
Milsurpo
You are bang on. I run into this all of the time. Someone has a gun for sale and looked up a similar model on the internet or Blue Book and come up with a very unrealistic price. The US market is very different from the Canadian one and a number of weapons cant go "south" such is post 1898 US military firearms, Webley revolvers, assault rifles, full autos, etc. The FN is a good example, they are worth $1500 + in the US and virtually nothing in Canada due to their prohib staus. I had one gentleman offer me a Model 76 S&W subgun for $6000, the going price in the US and was upset when I told him it was not worth anywhere near this price in Canada. He had looked it up on the internet. I further advised him that there less than 200 grandfathered licenced full auto collectors left in the country and machine guns are a depreciating asset.
