Semi-auto 223 options

MiniMe said:
Wasn't thinking about that, but NRs would be an even better option considering NDP is going up in the pools.
I thought about the mini, but the 5 rounds mags are really boring and I like my Beowulf mags.
If the SU16 isn't that bad, I could get one and a mini.....lol

The T97 looks nice, specially with the FTU, but I wonder how good the accuracy is.
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I get about 3 - 4 moa with 55gr norinco ammo
And about 1.5 - 2 moa with 69 grain S&B match
 
Hopefully the ndp gives us such a scare that every single freedom loving adult will go vote for the cpc, personally im scared but burnaby is a frigging ndp loving commune filled with chinese millionaires.
 
Save your pennies and get a Tavor. Sounds like there will be some panic selling soon. You should be able to pick up a bargin. :rolleyes:

As for the naysayers, well if you fall into that trap, we've already lost.
 
geologist said:
I disagree. Given the pending political uncertainties I think that buying non-restricted semiautos prior to the election, especially from private sellers is the smart thing to do.
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Rarely do I disagree with you but I stick to my statement and think that your strategy is a big gamble, way too big for a cheapskate like myself. You may save a few hundred buying used before the election from the panicked sellers. The flip side is how easily and quickly a new left leaning government would restrict or prohibit a bullpup semi. Bullpups are the perfect wedge semi. Scary and different looking and being $2k don't have the number of owners that a cheap semi like the sks have ( see Swiss arms). Take your chances, but I would never have thought the NDP would get into Alberta. The risk of that happening nationally and turning $2k into a melted lump or a permanent safe queen is too great for me. Even if they go from NR to restricted the value will plummet because the main selling feature is being NR - they can't compete in the same playing fields as ARs, not at their current price point.
Yes the sks can feel the ban hammer, but the odds are less IMHO as they are everywhere, and if they are banned, I'm out 2 bills, not $2k. Also, the OP is in the GTA, so I'm assuming the cottage means the muskoka which is about as, if not less, gun friendly as the rest of the latte sipping, chow loving, municipal handgun banning GTA. An NDP victory, or even a CPC minority could mean that tavor/xcr/acr would rarely see light of day.
OP if you feel strongly on a bullpup then go t97. Hedge your bets.
 
safehunter said:
Rarely do I disagree with you but I stick to my statement and think that your strategy is a big gamble, way too big for a cheapskate like myself. You may save a few hundred buying used before the election from the panicked sellers. The flip side is how easily and quickly a new left leaning government would restrict or prohibit a bullpup semi. Bullpups are the perfect wedge semi. Scary and different looking and being $2k don't have the number of owners that a cheap semi like the sks have ( see Swiss arms). Take your chances, but I would never have thought the NDP would get into Alberta. The risk of that happening nationally and turning $2k into a melted lump or a permanent safe queen is too great for me. Even if they go from NR to restricted the value will plummet because the main selling feature is being NR - they can't compete in the same playing fields as ARs, not at their current price point.
Yes the sks can feel the ban hammer, but the odds are less IMHO as they are everywhere, and if they are banned, I'm out 2 bills, not $2k. Also, the OP is in the GTA, so I'm assuming the cottage means the muskoka which is about as, if not less, gun friendly as the rest of the latte sipping, chow loving, municipal handgun banning GTA. An NDP victory, or even a CPC minority could mean that tavor/xcr/acr would rarely see light of day.
OP if you feel strongly on a bullpup then go t97. Hedge your bets.
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You do realize there is an affordable bullpup that a ton of people have right? T97.
There will be a big fight if they try to take away semis, almost every firearm owner has one whether it is a .22 or a 12 gauge.

I think this is a great time to be shopping, you won't see deals like there are now after the election when the cpc get a majority again :p ( just being optimistic).
Quit your panicking and enjoy shooting, and support the firearms community and the CPC. The end.

I am not even considering the option of them banning my guns. Up theirs if they try too!
 
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I'm honestly leaning towards a SU16.
Cheap and takes my AR mags, or maybe a mini14.
And perhaps get it on a trade for one of my ARs...

I hate politics....specially the NDP and that hypocrite gun hater that is always surrounded by armed guards.
 
MiniMe said:
I'm honestly leaning towards a SU16.
Cheap and takes my AR mags, or maybe a mini14.
And perhaps get it on a trade for one of my ARs...

I hate politics....specially the NDP and that hypocrite gun hater that is always surrounded by armed guards.
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SU16 with a AR stock adapter and stuff looks pretty cool. But for almost the same price Id much prefer the T97
 
You can buy them already installed. If you want to do it yourself it's easy. You cut down both sight posts with a dremel and bolt it to It. It comes with very easy instructions.

Plus the T97.ca lower hand guard is coming out. It will be a 4lb trigger with half the pull of the stock trigger. All aluminum.
 
safehunter said:
Rarely do I disagree with you but I stick to my statement and think that your strategy is a big gamble, way too big for a cheapskate like myself. You may save a few hundred buying used before the election from the panicked sellers. The flip side is how easily and quickly a new left leaning government would restrict or prohibit a bullpup semi. Bullpups are the perfect wedge semi. Scary and different looking and being $2k don't have the number of owners that a cheap semi like the sks have ( see Swiss arms). Take your chances, but I would never have thought the NDP would get into Alberta. The risk of that happening nationally and turning $2k into a melted lump or a permanent safe queen is too great for me. Even if they go from NR to restricted the value will plummet because the main selling feature is being NR - they can't compete in the same playing fields as ARs, not at their current price point.
Yes the sks can feel the ban hammer, but the odds are less IMHO as they are everywhere, and if they are banned, I'm out 2 bills, not $2k. Also, the OP is in the GTA, so I'm assuming the cottage means the muskoka which is about as, if not less, gun friendly as the rest of the latte sipping, chow loving, municipal handgun banning GTA. An NDP victory, or even a CPC minority could mean that tavor/xcr/acr would rarely see light of day.
OP if you feel strongly on a bullpup then go t97. Hedge your bets.
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A mass confiscation like you hint at with NR firearms going prohibited would also see one of the largest class action lawsuits ever if no compensation was offered.
 
Now that's a typical Canadian reaction - a class action law suit to recoup part of the loss of private property. I think we know what would happen on the other side of the DMZ.
 
Sharps '63 said:
Now that's a typical Canadian reaction - a class action law suit to recoup part of the loss of private property. I think we know what would happen on the other side of the DMZ.
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Ha! How true! I'm sure the Libs/NDP/RCMP and their fellow anti-gun travellers are shaking in their boots at the prospect of fighting a lawsuit...with our tax dollars....
 
Sharps '63 said:
Now that's a typical Canadian reaction - a class action law suit to recoup part of the loss of private property. I think we know what would happen on the other side of the DMZ.
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I wouldn't only seek part of the cost, it would be full cost. This is only if confiscation happens, not that I wouldn't fight against it if there was an opportunity to do so prior to it happening.
 
4b1t said:
Ha! How true! I'm sure the Libs/NDP/RCMP and their fellow anti-gun travellers are shaking in their boots at the prospect of fighting a lawsuit...with our tax dollars....
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they simply do not have the money to do a confiscation en masse if they are required to pay restitution, that is why they are only willing to do piece meal stuff like not issuing FRT's and one rifle at a time prohibitions like the swiss or 858.
 
Brian46 said:
they simply do not have the money to do a confiscation en masse if they are required to pay restitution, that is why they are only willing to do piece meal stuff like not issuing FRT's and one rifle at a time prohibitions like the swiss or 858.
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Exactly, I posted in another thread about it. But assuming they wanted all the guns and half were turned in for a buyback. Using average price of $500 and a random estimation (I've heard anything from 12-25 million guns in Canada with nr) of 18 million / 2 for half.

9000000 x 500 = 4.5 billion dollars

Even one on topic like the T97... If they wanted all of them.. Which I've heard number 10,000+ now.. At an average of $1000 thats 10 million $ for one gun type.
 
safehunter said:
Rarely do I disagree with you but I stick to my statement and think that your strategy is a big gamble, way too big for a cheapskate like myself. You may save a few hundred buying used before the election from the panicked sellers. The flip side is how easily and quickly a new left leaning government would restrict or prohibit a bullpup semi. Bullpups are the perfect wedge semi. Scary and different looking and being $2k don't have the number of owners that a cheap semi like the sks have ( see Swiss arms). Take your chances, but I would never have thought the NDP would get into Alberta. The risk of that happening nationally and turning $2k into a melted lump or a permanent safe queen is too great for me. Even if they go from NR to restricted the value will plummet because the main selling feature is being NR - they can't compete in the same playing fields as ARs, not at their current price point.
Yes the sks can feel the ban hammer, but the odds are less IMHO as they are everywhere, and if they are banned, I'm out 2 bills, not $2k. Also, the OP is in the GTA, so I'm assuming the cottage means the muskoka which is about as, if not less, gun friendly as the rest of the latte sipping, chow loving, municipal handgun banning GTA. An NDP victory, or even a CPC minority could mean that tavor/xcr/acr would rarely see light of day.
OP if you feel strongly on a bullpup then go t97. Hedge your bets.
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Saving money on reduced priced non-restricted semi autos pre election is not the reason why I think that pre election is the smartest time to buy non restricted semiautos from private sellers.
 
ShawnC6 said:
Exactly, I posted in another thread about it. But assuming they wanted all the guns and half were turned in for a buyback. Using average price of $500 and a random estimation (I've heard anything from 12-25 million guns in Canada with nr) of 18 million / 2 for half.

9000000 x 500 = 4.5 billion dollars

Even one on topic like the T97... If they wanted all of them.. Which I've heard number 10,000+ now.. At an average of $1000 thats 10 million $ for one gun type.
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they spent $2billion on the LGR, just to track your guns, and you don't believe they'll spend similar ridiculously enormous amounts of taxpayer money to get rid of them?
I don't think my hat is made of tinfoil.
 
safehunter said:
they spent $2billion on the LGR, just to track your guns, and you don't believe they'll spend similar ridiculously enormous amounts of taxpayer money to get rid of them?
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they lost huge support because of that spending and lying about the cost, coupled with no statistics that it actually prevented crime

just a simple buy back will cost 5 times that figure if not more, then if it goes to enforcement where all PAL/POL holders need to have their properties searched to make sure nothing was missed, that number could easily grow another 10x that or more
 
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