Semi-auto B guns -- 391, Maxus, SBE

ss1980 said:
Thank you for the insight. I always thought they were identical on the inside. Will do my research better next time :)
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You know what thought did?? Not sure who put the quarter in you last night but slow down and provide accurate information to ensure you donot effect a members decision to purchase a particular model vs another
As stubblejumper indicated it is much deeper that cosmetic.
Features such as
Maxus has speed load , mag cut off lever, cannot accept mag extension, and a new gas system referred to as the Power Drive Gas Piston
It has larger gas ports to cycle heavy loads quicker, produce less recoil, a 20% shorter piston stroke to better handle light loads and new enclosed seal design to keep action cleaner for a longer period of time and reduce the risk of malfunction.
I can go on but yes the rest would be cosmetic.
Silver and X3 are pretty much the same and parts will interchange maxus will not.
And yes I own both a maxus and x3. My pick yes the maxus but the X3 will also perform just fine for a hell of a lot less money
Take care
 
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dilly said:
Why are you asking a question and then answering it and replying to yourself over and over? Why are going crazy and posting on everything suddenly? Running up your posting count or something? Seems weird to me.
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Dilly what to go half on a pound of what ever it is. ;);)
I get like that after sniffing too many old imperial paper shells but not this happy :)
 
Thank you, 3macs1. I was looking hard at Maxus until I shouldered and shot a few rounds with somebody's SX3 at the club. I loved SX3. Then I went online and checked the price. $300-500 difference between the two in favour of SX3. That made me thinking...

3macs1 said:
You know what thought did?? Not sure who put the quarter in you last night but slow down and provide accurate information to ensure you donot effect a members decision to purchase a particular model vs another
As stubblejumper indicated it is much deeper that cosmetic.
Features such as
Maxus has speed load , mag cut off lever, cannot accept mag extension, and a new gas system referred to as the Power Drive Gas Piston
It has larger gas ports to cycle heavy loads quicker, produce less recoil, a 20% shorter piston stroke to better handle light loads and new enclosed seal design to keep action cleaner for a longer period of time and reduce the risk of malfunction.
I can go on but yes the rest would be cosmetic.
Silver and X3 are pretty much the same and parts will interchange maxus will not.
And yes I own both a maxus and x3. My pick yes the maxus but the X3 will also perform just fine for a hell of a lot less money
Take care
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Thanks! At least somebody stood up for me ::)

I personally love the smell of Federal shells. They put one compound powder there compared to Winchester and the rest that put two-compound powders. Federal smell reminds me of my happy childhood when you could freely play with guns and nobody would say you a word :)


3macs1 said:
Dilly what to go half on a pound of what ever it is. ;);)
I get like that after sniffing too many old imperial paper shells but not this happy :)
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ss1980 said:
Thank you, 3macs1. I was looking hard at Maxus until I shouldered and shot a few rounds with somebody's SX3 at the club. I loved SX3. Then I went online and checked the price. $300-500 difference between the two in favour of SX3. That made me thinking...
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No problem. See I have this bad habit of buying them new when they come out to see what is different and normally keep most of them. So yes I have the x1 I bought in new in 1974 and a x3 and maxus.
The maxus is for sure what they said it would be softer recoil etc and I like the speed load etc features but is it worth the extra cash over a X3, no I don't think so but to each their own. take care
 
ss1980 said:
Thanks! At least somebody stood up for me ::)

I personally love the smell of Federal shells. They put one compound powder there compared to Winchester and the rest that put two-compound powders. Federal smell reminds me of my happy childhood when you could freely play with guns and nobody would say you a word :)
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Believe me you have not lived until you enjoyed the smell of some old paper Imperials nothing has ever produced that sweet smell again. Watch all my old imperial junkie friends here all chime in now ;)
 
ss1980 said:
In shotguns in particular, especially in break actions, you get exactly what you pay for. The differences between $500, $1000, $10,000, and $100,000 are staggering!!!
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So you know from experience or is it a generalization? I don't want my questions to come off as being douchey, i am asking online and how someone infers what I say could take it as wrong:). It does stand to reason that the more expensive it is the better quality it is. I just am curious about how you can speak on the difference in the quality of a $100,000 and a $10, 000 shotgun, you compare them yourselves or look for reviews online/in print?

So what I am getting at is people regularly compare shotguns to ones double the price based on performance, durability, cycling etc. So the price point shouldn't matter, from what I have seen. Very possible we are taking differing views/talking about differing things on this one so no worries if we are :)
 
3macs1, what is your feel for maxus and sx3? You mentioned that every they promised for maxus was delivered - softer recoil, autoloading, etc. How does it compare with sx3?

Your experience with those two shotguns will be extremely appreciated. Share your feelings and observations with all of us, please.


3macs1 said:
No problem. See I have this bad habit of buying them new when they come out to see what is different and normally keep most of them. So yes I have the x1 I bought in new in 1974 and a x3 and maxus.
The maxus is for sure what they said it would be softer recoil etc and I like the speed load etc features but is it worth the extra cash over a X3, no I don't think so but to each their own. take care
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The Sporting Model SX3 will do your very light loads it is designed for them:

CUSTOM Active Valve SYSTEM DESIGNED FOR THE SUPER X®3 SPORTING cycles the lightest to the heaviest 2¾" loads while reducing felt recoil
 
Kato, I judge from experience. I shoot standard plain wood o/u costing around $3000. The people I shoot with shoot Perazzi, Kolar and Guerini, and Kreighoffs costing 10,000 and more. When I was in London, I was invited to a driven pheasant shoot with people shooting Purdeys and Holland and Hollands worth 100,000 pounds and more. The difference is like night and day!

xKATOx said:
So you know from experience or is it a generalization? I don't want my questions to come off as being douchey, i am asking online and how someone infers what I say could take it as wrong:). It does stand to reason that the more expensive it is the better quality it is. I just am curious about how you can speak on the difference in the quality of a $100,000 and a $10, 000 shotgun, you compare them yourselves or look for reviews online/in print?

So what I am getting at is people regularly compare shotguns to ones double the price based on performance, durability, cycling etc. So the price point shouldn't matter, from what I have seen. Very possible we are taking differing views/talking about differing things on this one so no worries if we are :)
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ss1980 said:
Kato, I judge from experience. I shoot standard plain wood o/u costing around $3000. The people I shoot with shoot Perazzi, Kolar and Guerini, and Kreighoffs costing 10,000 and more. When I was in London, I was invited to a driven pheasant shoot with people shooting Purdeys and Holland and Hollands worth 100,000 pounds and more. The difference is like night and day!
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Then you should know by now that Perazzi guns throw springs and parts like no other. The price of the gun will not always make it of better quality nor will it make it break more targets. Gun fitment is most important (second is focusing on the target) when it comes to placing the shot where you are looking...and a very sizeable chunk of the price tag on those english doubles is a direct result of having the gun custom fitted to the buyer! Spend the same amount of cash on a custom fitted stock for a Remington 870, as you would on a high end double, and you'll break just as many targets. Fact is past a certain price tag it has more to do with bragging rights more than actual quality!
 
VLT79 said:
Then you should know by now that Perazzi guns throw springs and parts like no other. The price of the gun will not always make it of better quality nor will it make it break more targets. Gun fitment is most important (second is focusing on the target) when it comes to placing the shot where you are looking...and a very sizeable chunk of the price tag on those english doubles is a direct result of having the gun custom fitted to the buyer! Spend the same amount of cash on a custom fitted stock for a Remington 870, as you would on a high end double, and you'll break just as many targets. Fact is past a certain price tag it has more to do with bragging rights more than actual quality!
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My thoughts on price too^
 
Getting back on topic. I shoot a Benelli M2 (bought it over the SBEII because I have zero desire to shoot 3.5s anymore). Anyways, it will go through that many shells easily and will never have a problem. Few weekends ago I took it into the field, got stuck on the way out, and used it as a snow shovel to dig us out. Full of ice/snow/plant material. Brushed it out and it cycled fine all day.
 
Yes, I've seen it. Thank you. But apart from sporting clays, it would still be good to take it goose or duck hunting from time to time...

Winchested said:
The Sporting Model SX3 will do your very light loads it is designed for them:

CUSTOM Active Valve SYSTEM DESIGNED FOR THE SUPER X®3 SPORTING cycles the lightest to the heaviest 2¾" loads while reducing felt recoil
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Yes, Benelli action is tough, fewer parts to clean, if cleaning is needed at all :) Once a year maybe.
The problem I've encountered with them though is the rotating bolt. If you have a shell in the chamber and go check it out if it's loaded or not by slightly moving the bolt back and then putting it back, it may not eject it or the famous "Benelli click" may happen without striking the primer.

The manual says to slam the bolt every time to avoid this issue.

JRodko said:
Getting back on topic. I shoot a Benelli M2 (bought it over the SBEII because I have zero desire to shoot 3.5s anymore). Anyways, it will go through that many shells easily and will never have a problem. Few weekends ago I took it into the field, got stuck on the way out, and used it as a snow shovel to dig us out. Full of ice/snow/plant material. Brushed it out and it cycled fine all day.
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Yes, Benelli action is tough, fewer parts to clean, if cleaning is needed at all :) Once a year maybe.
The problem I've encountered with them though is the rotating bolt. If you have a shell in the chamber and go check it out if it's loaded or not by slightly moving the bolt back and then putting it back, it may not eject it or the famous "Benelli click" may happen without striking the primer.

The manual says to slam the bolt every time to avoid this issue.
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So simply follow the directions in the manual to avoid issues. I don't see a problem.
 
Well I decided to chime in on my opinion and my vote goes 100% in Benelli's favor... In the past year I've owned, handled and shot all of the top semi's on the market and am stuck on benelli hands down. I owned 2 A400's one xplor unico and one extreme.... One browning Maxus.... The Remington versamax... Winchester sx3(which is rifled and I use for deer hunting) and currently own a benelli Vinci and super Vinci which are incredible in all aspects of semi auto shotguns... I'd be happy to answer any questions if need be just let me know... Thanks hope it helps!
 
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