Semi auto Bren ?

OK perhaps I have not been clear, the BD guns offered in Canada are approved for sale in this country by the our government, they were designed, manufactured and built to meet Canadian specs.

The BDs that will soon appear on the US market, approved by the BATF are NOT the same guns.

Although they may look the same there are major differences, one being that they are closed bolt versions. Many changes were required for the US market, including some manufacturing being done there.

I hope I have been clear in my explanation ??
John
 
Yes, perfectly clear.
That was my point all along.
US and Canadian standards are different, and the BDs approved for sale in Canada were not acceptable for the US.
Your snide one liner was inappropriate and irrelevant.
 
my inglis mark II was semi auto only.... selector switch welded. What a gawdamn hoot to blast away with that puppy, buttstock locked to the hip belt, full sling attached , slap in a 30 rounder of .303 ball and hang on :D
i wish we could go back to the days before Kim Campbell ruined all our fun.
 
Brens are selective fire. No problem firing single rounds with the selector on automatic, though. Really excellent shooters. I still have a "best shot" crest somewhere from 1961.
 
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SPENCER;
"What exactly are the Canadian specs for open bolt guns johnone ?
Well now,that would require a long, long, long reply....
In the case of the BD38 for example there many other factors to consider, contruction, design of the trigger group, incorporation of a "fail safe" sear disconnect, etc, etc....
Simply put Each Firearm is evaluated on its own merits....
Of you are thinking of something specific I would be pleased to assit you.
John
 
SCARECROW;
YES the Brens had a selector....
It is up to you to provide documentation from the manufacturer indicating that the receiver(s) you plan on using are "virgin" and have NEVER been used before in the complete assembly of a live firearm.
John
 
johnone said:
SCARECROW;
YES the Brens had a selector....
It is up to you to provide documentation from the manufacturer indicating that the receiver(s) you plan on using are "virgin" and have NEVER been used before in the complete assembly of a live firearm.
John
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As far as I know, the only place still in existence tham manufactured Bren guns is Ishapore... I stand to be corrected?

I doubt they have any un-assembled receivers left over from the 1940's and 50's though. And if they did, they wouldn't sell to you.
 
johnone said:
SPENCER;
"What exactly are the Canadian specs for open bolt guns johnone ?
Well now,that would require a long, long, long reply....
In the case of the BD38 for example there many other factors to consider, contruction, design of the trigger group, incorporation of a "fail safe" sear disconnect, etc, etc....
Simply put Each Firearm is evaluated on its own merits....
Of you are thinking of something specific I would be pleased to assit you.
John
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Thanks John.

The reason I asked is that the whole process of building previously unregistered types of guns seems so hit and miss. I was hoping there would be some sort of guidelines that enabled you to get the BD38 for example accepted into the system. I would have thought that what applied to the BD38 would apply at least to several other open bolt smg's.

Having said all that, yes I was actually thinking of something specific when I asked the the question, I was thinking of the Suomi M31.
 
SPENCER;
Your project will likely fly....
1) Obtain a supply of new receivers that were NEVER assembled....
2) Have a government recognized firm (in exporting country) produce your prototypes.
3) Have the prototypes certified by the exporting nation's proof house as being newly manufactured semiauto guns.
4) Obtain Letters of certification on their letterhead.
5) Obtain an approved IIC
6) Have the exporter apply for an export permit
7) Submit to Ottawa for approval.

Ottawa will either approve or suggest changes required for you to get approval.

Be prepared to invest some serious dollars ($$), a lot of time and some frayed nerves.... But barring any serious problems anyhting between 6-12 months
John
 
I think that if I had a bit bigger mill, I would make one just for the heck of it. LOL. Of course that wouldn't help anyone else, but...

then again, maybe my mill is big enough? I'd have to see some drawings.
 
johnone said:
SPENCER;
Your project will likely fly....
1) Obtain a supply of new receivers that were NEVER assembled....
2) Have a government recognized firm (in exporting country) produce your prototypes.
3) Have the prototypes certified by the exporting nation's proof house as being newly manufactured semiauto guns.
4) Obtain Letters of certification on their letterhead.
5) Obtain an approved IIC
6) Have the exporter apply for an export permit
7) Submit to Ottawa for approval.

Ottawa will either approve or suggest changes required for you to get approval.

Be prepared to invest some serious dollars ($$), a lot of time and some frayed nerves.... But barring any serious problems anyhting between 6-12 months
John
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John, It is not so much the paperwork side of things thats a mystery to me but the actual modifications to the gun that made it acceptable. Aside from being made with a new reciever how do the BD38 and MP3008 differ from the original weapons?

Thanks
 
Claven2 said:
I think that if I had a bit bigger mill, I would make one just for the heck of it. LOL. Of course that wouldn't help anyone else, but...

then again, maybe my mill is big enough? I'd have to see some drawings.
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If I thought I could make a bren reciever I would certainly do it. If you could make one and get a FRT number, I think it would be worth your while to make more.
 
Nope. No way. 247 (minimum) separate machining operations is NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE unless you have a very high end CNC mill with auto-changing tools and a 4th axis. For the labor to make one on a conventional mill along with all the jigs to verify specs so they wouldn't come back to haunt me with tolernacing issues, I'd have to charge $10,000 for a receiver just to make minimum wage.
 
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