Semi Auto Capacity(Please help)

D

DRAGONSLAYER

Regular
EE Expired
Rating - 96.3%
25   1   1
Location
Ontario
I was at a gunstore today and was picking up a Remington 11-87 Police.

The firearm was classified as restricted due to the 18 inch barrel.

I noticed today when i went to pick it up that it had a long magazine tube on it equal to the length of the barrel which came straight from the factory.

I questioned the guys at the counter and asked how many rounds it holds.
They were unsure, i mentioned that i was concerned that it looks like it holds more than 5 they said not to worry and proceeded to load 7 snap caps into the mag, now i was really worried I even went on the CFC website and showed them the 5 round rule which they knew about but did not think it applied here. I asked them about if this gun is legal due to the extended mag (more than 5). I got a couple answers from both the guys at the counter and the other customers.

1) Its ok to have more than 5 since its restricted and can only be used on the range anyways.
2) The distributor would not send anything illegal into canada.
3) If the CFC transfered it in your name not to worry.

I am still uneasy about the mag capacity over 5.
Is this ok due to the reasons everyone gave me or should i be doing something about this situation.
 
You should be worried. The magazine is prohibited if it can hold more than 5 of the cartridges it was designed to hold.
 
###XX said:
Semi auto: 5 rds max.

That's all there is to it.
Click to expand...

Not really, that is common shorthand but we know that the law refers to magazines for handguns and semi long guns. This makes for the various apparent exemptions where long guns take handgun magazines. There are also some firearms that are specifically exempted ( M1 Garand)
 
Redleg:

Good point...

For the vast majority of situations, and in the Original Poster's situation, 5rds is the legal cap, though..
 
redleg said:
Not really, that is common shorthand but we know that the law refers to magazines for handguns and semi long guns. This makes for the various apparent exemptions where long guns take handgun magazines. There are also some firearms that are specifically exempted ( M1 Garand)
Click to expand...

magazines for long guns and the Sten/Sterling at TSE ;)
 
wouldn't you just use something to fill the excess space in the tube magazine like you would a pump that has a 5 round magazine when you're using shot and can only have 3 rounds maximum? kinda like how you pin a 20 round mag to 5 rounds for a semi-auto rifle?
 
This is why I don't listen to the majority of staff at gun stores. Most of them don't seem to know sh*t about guns.

I've heard of an aluminum plug being press fit into these extensions to make them legal. Keeps it looking nice and clean.

I'd also be checking on the barrel length since Remington has switched to an 18.5" barrel on most, if not all shotguns. You could get it reclassified as non-restricted if that's the case. Easiest way to tell is where the barrel ends in relation to the extension. If it ends flush with the factory extension than the barrel is 18.5". If the barrel is noticeably shorter than the extension than it's 18". Can't figure out why they'd change the length yet continue to refer to them as 18"?
 
I understood the limits to be 3 for hunting purposes, 5 for semi-autos ON a range and what ever they can hold for Pump Actions.
I had an old winchester that if I remember right held around 7, it sure got heavy when filled. I used it for bowling pin shoots on fun days at the club.
M.
 
Ice-Pick said:
I understood the limits to be 3 for hunting purposes, 5 for semi-autos ON a range and what ever they can hold for Pump Actions.
I had an old winchester that if I remember right held around 7, it sure got heavy when filled. I used it for bowling pin shoots on fun days at the club.
M.
Click to expand...
For semi-auto shotguns the magazine limit is five rounds no matter where they're fired.
 
If it's chambered for 3.5" shells, it should be big enough to fit 5 x 3.5" shells. This would obviously leave room for more 2 3/4" shells. Doesn't mean you should put more than 5, but explains why you can, if it is in fact chambered for 3.5"
 
An 11-87 holds 5 plus two more with the factory extension out of the factory. No pinning is required. The mag extension comes off just like the regular mag cap. Get one of those, a shorter mag spring(both should be available from an Authorized Repair Centre. There are 6 in Ontario.) and a mag plug if you ever intend hunting with it(Ontario says 3 in the gun for hunting anything). You can buy another barrel too. Not necessarily inexpensive though.
http://www.remington.com/support/repair_services/canadian_RARC.asp
 
Hmm, let's see if I can shed some insight here, or muddy the waters even more.

The CFC list the capacity of a tube fed shotgun based on the maximum number of shells of the longest type the barrel is chambered for.

To me that clearly means that shorter shells are not included in the question.

The laws describing magazine capacities refer to the maximum number of rounds a magazine CAN have, and indicate that magazines holding greater than this number may be prohibited.

To me that means the law refers to whole numbers, not fractions. In this example, a mag tube holding less than 6 rounds of the longest shell is legal.

If the intent of the writer of the law was to limit capacity of semi auto shotguns to the shortest shell the gun could feed and fire, he failed to include language to that effect.
 
DRAGONSLAYER said:
I am still uneasy about the mag capacity over 5.
Click to expand...

IMO, put this one back on the shelf and move on to something else. That "uneasy" feeling you had in store probably won't go away if/when you buy this shotgun and get it home.

IMHO, a restricted shotgun doesn't have that much appeal to me. Unless it was something special, rare, or an awesome deal that I could flip, I would pass.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom