Semi auto in 308 non-restricted

Here’s what you do if you want the best of the best, lightweight stag 10.

You call red deer shooting center, and you ask for Kurt. You tell Kurt you want a really light weight stag 10 and that you’ve got a wad of cash with no limit.

You’ll likely end up with a BSF carbon wrap barrel, a V7 ultra light handguard and a JP lightweight BCGc just off the top of my head.
Those parts right there are going to be the bulk of your weight savings, but also the bulk of the cost.
 
Here’s what you do if you want the best of the best, lightweight stag 10.

You call red deer shooting center, and you ask for Kurt. You tell Kurt you want a really light weight stag 10 and that you’ve got a wad of cash with no limit.

You’ll likely end up with a BSF carbon wrap barrel, a V7 ultra light handguard and a JP lightweight BCGc just off the top of my head.
Those parts right there are going to be the bulk of your weight savings, but also the bulk of the cost.

A BSF barrel isn't lighter than a pencil profile steel barrel. The JP BCG isn't as light as the Brownells titanium. The V7 Hyperlite handguard is the lightest .308 handguard I have found.

Strictly for hunting and as light weight as possible I'd recommend the Maple Ridge Armoury 18.6" pencil barrel. It is lighter than the Faxon 20" pencil barrel I had on before.
 
A BSF barrel isn't lighter than a pencil profile steel barrel. The JP BCG isn't as light as the Brownells titanium. The V7 Hyperlite handguard is the lightest .308 handguard I have found.

Strictly for hunting and as light weight as possible I'd recommend the Maple Ridge Armoury 18.6" pencil barrel. It is lighter than the Faxon 20" pencil barrel I had on before.

Brigand Arms is the lightest handguard out there.
 
I'm tuning up a mint 2007 Norc M305 myself for dirt cheap right now :rockOn:

Everyone turned their backs and dumped stock on the design now that there are 20 questionable quality NR AR10's out lol :D

Have fun with that. The M305 is a money pit. It never shot as good as my Stag will even after thousands of dollars in upgrades. Speaking of questionable quality, I hope you don't lose your face to a Chinese gun. Good riddance to the M305.
 
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It's not a lightweight build. :) It's just a stock GI with some extra parts I had laying around.
 
A BSF barrel isn't lighter than a pencil profile steel barrel. The JP BCG isn't as light as the Brownells titanium. The V7 Hyperlite handguard is the lightest .308 handguard I have found.

Strictly for hunting and as light weight as possible I'd recommend the Maple Ridge Armoury 18.6" pencil barrel. It is lighter than the Faxon 20" pencil barrel I had on before.


Internet thumbs up for you.
 
To the OP, Stag 10 for sure.

Only "issues" have been a little shotty QC when it comes to bolt tightness and gas system alignment...a little annoying for sure but an easy and fast fix, just give it a once over.

The other "issues" all revolve around people lacking knowledge on AR style of rifles...they NEED to be lubed and ran wet to function properly and a brand new covered in grease Stag 10 also NEEDS a good initial cleaning off and just simply lube it and then proceed to run the charging handle, trigger and safety a bunch to help break it in, they are all tightly fitting parts from the factory.

Oh and magazines, some don't always work the best, the 10 rounder XCR pistol mags seem hit or miss. I personally had no issues with the included gen 3 Magpul 7.62x51 mag and my 2 Lancer L7s are amazing!!! :)


I have almost 350 round throught mine so far...with some of it being pretty cheap ammo, all golden!!! :)
 
Hahaha oh man....just....wow

Is there a reason you're using a 2007 gun instead of a 2017? Oh right, because they explode.

What scope did you put on it? Oh wait, you can't mount a scope without spending more money. And then you'll need a chassis to get proper eye relief because... Oh yeah, the platform wasn't designed for optics! Then you'll have to replace all those out of spec Chinese parts with shot out American or Israeli parts only to find you still have a 3+ MOA gun! Then you'll have to take it to a clinic and pay someone to teach you the ins and outs of a dead platform.

The only reason the M305 got this far is not because it's a solid platform, it's because it was an affordable non-restricted battle rifle. If you think otherwise, you're fooling yourself. Seriously... good riddance.
 
I had a Springfield "loaded" M1A a couple years ago...and I know they do not get much love but STOCK they are better then Norcs, hands down...throw $1000s into it and hand tuning/fitting then sure, your Norc CAN be better, but you can tune up a Springfield too :p

I liked it and had fun with it, being NR really helped!!! I loved it with irons and the 7.62 Nato round is my favorite BUT I didn't like having to pay a lot for a decent scope mount but I did and I did scope it...and any good stock upgrade was $400-$1000+, trigger "work" wasn't easy and having to tune the gas system and op rod and what not got annoying and again it got expensive along with not many parts in Canada (good ones) and just not many choices overall. So I sold it.

Now NR doesn't matter a lot to some but it does to me (I do have my restricted) but I enjoy having less travel restrictions on my guns and where I can shoot them and enjoy being able to hunt with it...the Stag 10 IS that.

An AR10 "style" rifle as there is no real "milspec" standard for them...for better or worse... is much much easier to work on. Simply having a free floated barrel helps a lot, same with a railed upper to add optics and irons. Can change out/upgrade pretty much any part yourself with little knowledge or with the help of YouTube and many AR15 small parts and tools work with it. Parts and upgrades are common too, even in Canada and not all of them are expensive either.

The accuracy of an "AR10", on a whole will be much better as well then a standard M1A, and yes I know there is ones that cost $5k and with shooting $$$ handloads can shoot "sub .5 MOA all day..." :p
 
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Best quality is ATRS Modern Hunter, next is Stag, next is BCL. Only issue is you cannot simply buy the upper and lower from ATRS so yes, Stag for that purpose.

I would put the modern hunter last. Stag is the way to go. My bcl 102s out shot my modern hunter and actually cycled. The fit and finish weren't as nice but for 2.5x the price with it jamming and shooting greater than 2 moa it had to go. My factory bcl shot 1.5 moa and no problems with cycling. My custom bcl still cheaper than the modern hunter shoot 0.5 moa and also cycles.
 
Is there a reason you're using a 2007 gun instead of a 2017? Oh right, because they explode.

What scope did you put on it? Oh wait, you can't mount a scope without spending more money. And then you'll need a chassis to get proper eye relief because... Oh yeah, the platform wasn't designed for optics! Then you'll have to replace all those out of spec Chinese parts with shot out American or Israeli parts only to find you still have a 3+ MOA gun! Then you'll have to take it to a clinic and pay someone to teach you the ins and outs of a dead platform.

The only reason the M305 got this far is not because it's a solid platform, it's because it was an affordable non-restricted battle rifle. If you think otherwise, you're fooling yourself. Seriously... good riddance.

Oh boy where to start....

The 2014 and up ones are hit and miss. Not because "they explode" Your comments are riddled with vast ignorance smacking of nothing more than information you gained from casually browsing forums. I suspect you've not built them, tuned them or have much first hand experience with the design aside from maybe running some rounds through it here and there. I may be wrong on this but I get the feeling.
Not all the 2014 and up rifles were assembled with the MIM/Cast bolt/receivers. You can easily spot a MIM bolt and a cast receiver seeing the gun in person or even in photos. You could train an 8 year to spot the signs.
So that only leaves a "small batch" of about thousands of good to go rifles in the country since some of them showed up with bad bolts/receivers but anyhow....

I don't use scopes. I shoot irons only and the M14 has the best irons sights ever put on a rifle (tied only with the AR15A2 style sights but close tie) So that's a nil issue for me. I detest scopes. I'm not a precision shooter and I get bored using scopes. I measure a rifles value by being able to hit my 16" plate with irons at 300m. All my M14's I've built, owned and tuned up can do this all day long. I've got CGN member witnesses on this forum who have seen me hit a 4 ft gong at 600m with irons and bulk ammo prone with a lightly tuned Norc M14 at the cold lake gun club 7/10 shots.

Nothing is "out of spec" on the norinco M14's. No parts actually require replacing to have a fully functional and performing rifle. The $40 dollar upgrade of the op rod guide spring and guide are the only tangible parts that need replacing as long as you have one of the plentiful forged/machined bolt/receivers. People swap these on Springfields as well. Sorry I'll add that the rear sights are junk. So you swap the assy with a USGI M1 Garand set for $100 off the EE.
The rest of the "tuning" or fixing what you ignorantly refer to as "out of spec" is done with basic tools ie indexing the barrel to the receiver, dimpling/realigning the op rod guide, and bedding the stock with JB steel weld (not really required)
So for a rifle that people are dumping at around the $500 mark used right now and $140 to upgrade the only parts that will make any real difference. A couple hours of elbow grease and you end up with a rifle that can shoot bulk #### ammo into a 5" circle at 100 meters with irons. I've shot match 168gr .308 through my last one I tuned up and it would put 5 rounds into a 2 to 3" circle. There are few rifles I've ever owned that accomplish this with iron sights.

I don't turn up my nose at any of the Non Restricted AR10's on the market now...that's not true the NEA 102's are dice toss gamble typical of Canadian gun products. But NEA junk aside, there's some cool stuff AR10 NR wise. I still look at bang for buck though. 102's are #### so even at $1300 used I wouldn't touch them if I could get one for free. The Stags are all the other upcoming NR AR10's will cost $2K complete or $2K and over by the time you have to source all your parts, hope they fit and assemble to build your ideal rifle. For me the M14 does everything I need it to do in a 7.62mm NR semi auto gun and it does it at a fraction of the cost of any of the other options.

I would say if you actually believe that dropping around $700 to get a NR semi auto 7.62mm rifle that can shoot as well and as reliably as a $2K Springfield is a junk deal then I don't even know what else to say to you. I guess you would have to read some sentences and learn a bit about the simple design to tweak it if you needed to and maybe even (gasp) turn a wrench or two on the gun....I get that this can be daunting to people in this day and age of proactive helplessness lol

If the BRN10 Retro AR10's get NR status (#### I've never wanted something so bad in my life) I'll sell the M14's but only to fund a light balanced, all assembled retro 7.62 rifle with dedicated iron carry handle.
 
A member on this board gave me a great idea that should make a top notch NR AR style rifle with great accuracy potential, i will bring back from NH the upper of my KAC SR25 and i am gonna buy a Stag NR lower and fit both together.

It will give me a NR KAC SR25 performance kit. :dancingbanana:

Thanks to Epoxy7 for the great guidance .
 
Sorry but irons sights are a #### way to judge a guns potential accuracy at "long" range...it is based much too off of how well your own eyes are and you aiming reference point and your repeat ability of holding on/keeping that exact same SMALL spot for each shot. Not easy past 100 yards.

I can hit a big, orange 18" steel target at 300yards with my Stag 10 5/5 times using the cheapest ammo (Barnual) and resting it off my pack...its not hard or all that impressive and the gun is stock for the important "shooting accurately" parts...those being the barrel, trigger, ect. minus some Troy irons I have on it as the gun comes lacking any sights.

I can also hit the same target using an SKS (once the sights are properly adjusted, including the front) also with cheap Barnual ammo with about 80% consistency and the sights are junk on it.
 
I didn't read your post. I have better things to do than read a massive wall of text about a dead, inherently inaccurate, modification heavy money pit of an outdated rifle platform lmao. Enjoy modifying and tuning your M305 while I'm shooting my Stag-10.

Someone should make a documentary about the M14. Call it "The M14: Meh, we had them sitting around so...".
 
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