SEMI AUTO Mg-34 Light Machine Guns.

Brian46 said:
the currently non restricted M2's would be prohibited then if your assertion was correct for all firearm receiver designs.

The reason they are not prohibited is exactly what I posted above and why current ones TNW offers that are built from working full auto rifles are in fact prohibited with the new FRT.
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It isn't my assertion. Just saying whats been said.
 
katazone said:
The TNWs (1919 or M2HB) become prohibited for the simple reason that a semi auto RHSP assembled together with the rest of the parts kit is deemed too easy to convert to full auto.
In the US the BATF accepts a receiver made with just the RHSP. Here you now recently must have newly made 4 sides and trunnion. They only did that because they regret having let them in the first place.
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a little more to it than that, someone figured they would cash in by buying up a bunch of parts kits and assemble them in Canada, it didn't go so well and eventually led the the new prohib FRT for the TNW guns because of the parts kits being used were deemed converted autos.
 
Airborneboi69 said:
I owned one of the 2 pre production models of 42's
Had an unfourtunate event in life which forced me to sell
It was truly an amazing piece that i miss horribly... Would love to see more of these
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Glad you appreciate the hard work put into it.... Unfortunately the Canadian market could not justify producing them
I hope all is good now with you
John
 
johnone said:
Glad you appreciate the hard work put into it.... Unfortunately the Canadian market could not justify producing them
I hope all is good now with you
John
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Was the difference stamped vs milled and ease of barrel swap? Or is there more?
Do you think that there might be a revival and demand nowadays?
Seems to be more interest in belt Feds with the newer generation of shooters!
 
katazone said:
Was the difference stamped vs milled and ease of barrel swap? Or is there more?
Do you think that there might be a revival and demand nowadays?
Seems to be more interest in belt Feds with the newer generation of shooters!
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Not certain I understand what you mean ? "stamped vs milled ??"
The Canadian market is far too small too absorb a production run of at least 2,000 pieces....
Since the US market is closed to this unit, despite previous approval, it would leave only Canada.
John
 
katazone said:
The TNWs (1919 or M2HB) become prohibited for the simple reason that a semi auto RHSP assembled together with the rest of the parts kit is deemed too easy to convert to full auto.
In the US the BATF accepts a receiver made with just the RHSP. Here you now recently must have newly made 4 sides and trunnion. They only did that because they regret having let them in the first place. The ones already out there are ok. New ones subject to the new FRT.
So any new coming 1919s or M2s for example have to be to Canadian specs-----> all new receiver + trunnion.
That being said if you tried to make a 1919 with all new parts yourself and submitted it, it would be rejected. Ask ATRS.
Only a TNW made rifle would be acceptable but only if it had all new receiver. So for the M2HB, it's the same thing. Any old ones already here are ok....any new M2s would have to be compliant to the new rules. Something like that...Lol
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Having talked to Rick at ATRS in the past, it is quite a long story regarding his M2. What I got from it was it could be done NR, but all 4 plates & trunion would have to be new manufacture, and it came out not economically feasible.
 
mileageman said:
Having talked to Rick at ATRS in the past, it is quite a long story regarding his M2. What I got from it was it could be done NR, but all 4 plates & trunion would have to be new manufacture, and it came out not economically feasible.
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The story I was referring to was the 1919s. And if TNW build a brand new receiver as you say, no doubt it could be brought in using the nr frt since it complies with the rcmp new regs.
I think we are saying the same thing. Lol :)
 
katazone said:
The story I was referring to was the 1919s. And if TNW build a brand new receiver as you say, no doubt it could be brought in using the nr frt since it complies with the rcmp new regs.
I think we are saying the same thing. Lol :)
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There is a prohib frt and a nr frt entry for that same gun by tnw. One to represent the versions made with all 5 walls new (NR) and one to represent the guns made using at least 1 wall recycled from a full auto receiver (prohib as converted autos).

Not sure what "rcmp new regs" you are referring to.
 
Apologies to John for the thread-jack...

What I would LOVE to see is an all new receiver for the Russian PM 1910 Maxim watercooled gun on the wheeled Sokolov mount.
<<< See my avatar.
Adopted in 1910, so the belts are definitely pre-1945, therefore unlimited.
Runs on cheap x54R ammo, not expensive 8x57 Mauser.
Uses fascinating Maxim action, with lots of funky moving parts, etc. Good for technology geeks like me.
Mounted on ###y wheeled Sokolov mount. Chicks dig that!
Literally hundreds of thousands produced (Dolf Goldsmith says 600,000 made), and still in storage in former commie countries.
 
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I've always wanted one of these but been too scared off with the reliability issues I read by those who have bought them, anything new here on that or same as they always have been?
 
fenceline said:
There is a prohib frt and a nr frt entry for that same gun by tnw. One to represent the versions made with all 5 walls new (NR) and one to represent the guns made using at least 1 wall recycled from a full auto receiver (prohib as converted autos).

Not sure what "rcmp new regs" you are referring to.
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exacty what you just said :)
 
katazone said:
exacty what you just said :)
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The FRT is not a regulation or law. It is the documented opinion of the RCMP as to where firearms fall in classification as per the Firearms Act.

It is their opinion. That is all. That being said, their opinion is accepted as evidence in court as "expert" opinion. If you don't like their opinion, the only option is to go against it, get charged, and get a judge to say whether the RCMP opinion is right or not.
 
fenceline said:
The FRT is not a regulation or law. It is the documented opinion of the RCMP as to where firearms fall in classification as per the Firearms Act.

It is their opinion. That is all. That being said, their opinion is accepted as evidence in court as "expert" opinion. If you don't like their opinion, the only option is to go against it, get charged, and get a judge to say whether the RCMP opinion is right or not.
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I'm not challenging anything!!! you keep bringing this up lol :)
To me...opinion or whatever it is...is what I have to abide by.
With all due respect....I was merely reporting what I know in the best way I know how to which is what you were saying: 2 FRTs. Apologies if it was misunderstood :)

Also apologies to OP for derailing the thread. Cheers
 
Was simply clarifying it wasn't a regulation. Regulation implies law. I really wish there was a way to challenge the opinion. I agree, we are stuck with it without that ability. That is the main thorn.
 
fenceline said:
There is a prohib frt and a nr frt entry for that same gun by tnw. One to represent the versions made with all 5 walls new (NR) and one to represent the guns made using at least 1 wall recycled from a full auto receiver (prohib as converted autos).

Not sure what "rcmp new regs" you are referring to.
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TNW did build on parts kits that were never assembled (because of this they were considered "new production" at the time), once those dried up they had no choice but to use full auto guns and convert them. This is why there is two different FRT's and statuses for the guns they have produced.

Not long ago it was hinted at by a forum member that there would be new production NR rifles in a small quantity produced, all new sides to satisfy the RCMP
 
tootall said:
Apologies to John for the thread-jack...

What I would LOVE to see is an all new receiver for the Russian PM 1910 Maxim watercooled gun on the wheeled Sokolov mount.
<<< See my avatar.
!910, so the belts are definitely pre-1945, therefore unlimited.
Runs on cheap x54R ammo, not expensive 8x57 Mauser.
Uses fascinating Maxim action, with lots of funky moving parts, etc. Good for technology geeks like me.
Mounted on ###y wheeled Sokolov mount. Chicks dig that!
Literally hundreds of thousands produced (Dolf Goldsmith says 600,000 made), and still in storage in former commie countries.
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A 1910 Maxim would be awesome, such a cool MG. I feel lucky just to have an ammo can for one.
 
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