Semi Auto under $1000

1963beretta said:
You have a shop full of Turkish made Mossberg 935/930???

Thats extremely odd given that they are made in the USA.

Hard to take comments like this seriously when its full of factually incorrect statements
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Not what he said
And he knows his stuff :)
You could not pay me to own any of those mossy's and yes I have shot them and fixed them
Then again back in the day some guys drove chevettes and figured all was good when the rest of us saved a bit longer and drove corvettes seems nothing has changed :)
Cheers
 
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Sir Plus said:
I don’t think he named those shotguns. Mossberg had and still has other models made in Turkey
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No 12g Mossberg semi is made in Turkey. Not one. And since the OP mentions the requirement of a recommendation to be a 12g with a threaded receiver, and the only Mossberg recommendations made is the 930/935, why would anyone reasonable person understand the topic of conversation to be about a Mossberg SA-20?
 
3macs1 said:
Not what he said
And he knows his stuff :)
You could not pay me to own any of those mossy's and yes I have shot them and fixed them
Then again back in the day some guys drove chevettes and figured all was good when the rest of us saved a bit longer and drove corvettes seems nothing has changed :)
Cheers
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In all fairness, struffs post, much like most of his posts, is barely coherent.

And as I mentioned in my previous post, the only Mossberg recommendation made by anyone here (which specifically matches the OP’s wish list) was the 930/935. So either Struff is intentionally wording his post with misleading info or his understanding of this thread is way off. Whatever the situation, his posts are typically incoherent. Im in no way trying to insult him, his knowledge or his experience. Its just an observation I’ve made reading many of his posts over the years.
 
1963beretta said:
In all fairness, struffs post, much like most of his posts, is barely coherent.

And as I mentioned in my previous post, the only Mossberg recommendation made by anyone here (which specifically matches the OP’s wish list) was the 930/935. So either Struff is intentionally wording his post with misleading info or his understanding of this thread is way off. Whatever the situation, his posts are typically incoherent. Im in no way trying to insult him, his knowledge or his experience. Its just an observation I’ve made reading many of his posts over the years.
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Maybe when you get his age or mine you may understand
We didnot grow up with a mouse in our hand or a computer or know how to type

We grew up with tools in our hands fixing guns, quality well made guns not like the crap out there today . yes there are some good ones also but most will not pay for quality
Communication on the internet is not a easy thing to do to get one's message across for everyone especially older folks
I have never met the man but from what I have got out of his posts over the years he knows his stuff :)and has no problem telling people when he doesn't agree and most times I agree with him 100% and the mossy even though you own and love yours is no x3 take that to the bank
Take care
 
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1963beretta said:
No 12g Mossberg semi is made in Turkey. Not one. And since the OP mentions the requirement of a recommendation to be a 12g with a threaded receiver, and the only Mossberg recommendations made is the 930/935, why would anyone reasonable person understand the topic of conversation to be about a Mossberg SA-20?
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Got proof of that :) Times have changed
Mossberg offers bolt-action, lever-action and auto-loading rifles as well as pump-action, auto-loading, and over/under shotguns. Manufacturing is done both in Turkey and in the US from parts made in both America and Mexico.
PUMPS are USA. others are imported or parts there of remember there are like 12 versions of the 930 alone

The truth
The 930 was designed and built from the ground up as a budget shotgun. It gets people into a semiautomatic shotgun for slightly more than a good pump. In order to do this Mossberg relied heavily on MIM manufacturing of all small internal components, and designed a cheap to make gas system. There are generally the light users of the shotgun, and then competition shooters or hunters that fire thousands of shells a year.

Light use common problems are going to be gas system maintenance. Shooting the gun especially with common dirty bulk ammo found in big box stores and then leaving it to sit can result in lots of hard deposits, and plastic in the gas system. Regular cleaning helps keep things running well. Early models had some issues with gas cylinders being slightly cocked causing cycling issues.

Heavy user problems start to become far more complex. Gas and recoil system need mods to keep up with heavy use. Or3gun spacer tubes, ans SBE Precision Products pistons really bring the reliability and reduced carbon buildup in the gas system to another level. Small parts start breaking in heavy use guns. Extractors, charging handles, shell latches usually break eventually so keep spare parts handy.
 
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3macs1 said:
Got proof of that :) Times have changed
Mossberg offers bolt-action, lever-action and auto-loading rifles as well as pump-action, auto-loading, and over/under shotguns. Manufacturing is done both in Turkey and in the US from parts made in both America and Mexico.
PUMPS are USA. others are imported or parts there of remember there are like 12 versions of the 930 alone

The truth
The 930 was designed and built from the ground up as a budget shotgun. It gets people into a semiautomatic shotgun for slightly more than a good pump. In order to do this Mossberg relied heavily on MIM manufacturing of all small internal components, and designed a cheap to make gas system. There are generally the light users of the shotgun, and then competition shooters or hunters that fire thousands of shells a year.

Light use common problems are going to be gas system maintenance. Shooting the gun especially with common dirty bulk ammo found in big box stores and then leaving it to sit can result in lots of hard deposits, and plastic in the gas system. Regular cleaning helps keep things running well. Early models had some issues with gas cylinders being slightly cocked causing cycling issues.

Heavy user problems start to become far more complex. Gas and recoil system need mods to keep up with heavy use. Or3gun spacer tubes, ans SBE Precision Products pistons really bring the reliability and reduced carbon buildup in the gas system to another level. Small parts start breaking in heavy use guns. Extractors, charging handles, shell latches usually break eventually so keep spare parts handy.
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3macs....stay on point here. The OP asked about 12g Semi-Auto with drilled and tapped receiver for under $1000. He did not ask about rifles, pumps, lever actions or double guns.

Yes Mossberg has guns made in Turkey. They are branded as Mossberg International. The 930/935 is the only Mossberg mentioned in this thread because its the only Mossberg that fits the criteria required by the OP. The 930/935 is not made in Turkey. Period. By the standards you and struff are trying to set, all Winchesters must suck because they too have guns made in Turkey....makes no sense.

As for your other comment.....knowing how to type and knowing how to write are two very different things. I made no mention about typing. Coherence is a matter of writing.

Anyway, as Spank would say......Anyways, enough...
 
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and I would say
You have no clue of mine or struff's standards other than they are much higher than yours and
Mossberg is being a little sneaky with all those "Made in the U.S.A." stickers they plaster on the guns. Most of the parts for these shotguns are actually made in Mexico & Turkey and assembled in Eagle Pass, Texas. "Assembled in the U.S.A." might be more accurate.
Ever buy a part for one of those 930's and see not made in USA on bag
Carry on
take care
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3macs1 said:
and I would say
Mossberg is being a little sneaky with all those "Made in the U.S.A." stickers they plaster on the guns. Most of the parts for these shotguns are actually made in Mexico & Turkey and assembled in Eagle Pass, Texas. "Assembled in the U.S.A." might be more accurate.
Carry on
take care
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I still love you 3macs.....even if you hate my Mossberg.

And to clarify, I never said the Mossberg 930/935 is the best autoloader. It just happens to check off everything on the OP’s wish list. I just happen to own one....a 935 that I bought in 2008 for $600 at Bass Pro. And while I have owned many Beretta, Benelli, Browning and Winchester semi’s in the past.....and still own Browning, Franchi and other semis now.....I prefer using my 935 as my primary waterfowl and turkey hunting shotgun. My 935 has not broken or had a failure requiring me to buy replacement parts. And yes, it gets used extensively. Likely has seen more than $5000 worth of shells through its tube. If the day comes where it eventually breaks....well it served its purpose and owes me nothing.
 
Love you too :)
Just hate where firearms have gone in the last 20 years. One time they were a lifetime investment quality item now most a cheaply made disposable tool and I guess it is better to have something that goes bang than nothing at all with the price of guns today
We have also been spoiled us old guys owning what we do and have in the past

take care
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3macs1 said:
Love you too :)
Just hate where firearms have gone in the last 20 years. One time they were a lifetime investment quality item now most a cheaply made disposable tool and I guess it is better to have something that goes bang than nothing at all with the price of guns today
We have also been spoiled us old guys owning what we do and have in the past

take care
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Agree 100%.
 
My 935 will pattern right up there with my SP 10 and has been trouble free along with my SX2 Winchesters 3 1/2 guns . . A good used gun would be my choice.
 
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