Semi-Auto vs. Bolt Accuracy

For a decent scope at a really good price look at the Hawke Varmint SF in 6-24X or the Mueller Eraticator in 8.5X25... And yes you "DO" want to go higher in top-end magnification (IMO)... If you want to work on making tiny groups, you need to be able to see the target and higher magnification helps with that and also with shooting form. For what you are planning for this gun I think that 24X is a minimum... Yes you can do it with less... But why?
 
mostly it was because of price. i want something which tracks accurately with use, also for adjustable range is in the first focal plane. i know both of those can get expensive. im not too with the type of glass (eg, chromatic or apo-chromatic) for color corrections. as long as i can make out the target cleanly thats all i need.

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also matching reticle and turrets. why the hell would anyone want MAO turrets with mil dot reticles? do one or the other. you shoot something and it impacts one mil to the right, then you adjust the turrets 1 mil to compensate. how hard is that concept?!?!? if the reticle and turrets dont match than what the hell do you do? break out a calculator and convert? grrrrrr
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the scope which i am leaning towards currently is:
Falcon 5.5-25x50mm BM Metric
http://frontierfirearms.ca/index.php/optics/scopes/falcon/falcon-5-5-25x50mm-bm-metric.html

it isnt too much more expensive than the hawke for example but has all the features i am looking for and is fairly well reviewed. also, its something which i wouldnt have any issues moving over to a long range gun.
 
Grizzlypeg said:
You can shoot through your bolt action 22 whatever ammo gives you the best accuracy. With a semi auto, you will find your ammo choice also guided and limited by what cycles the action most reliably. I think you should get both.
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I think that is the best answer to most questions about what gun to choose!
 
Margucci said:
mostly it was because of price. i want something which tracks accurately with use, also for adjustable range is in the first focal plane. i know both of those can get expensive. im not too with the type of glass (eg, chromatic or apo-chromatic) for color corrections. as long as i can make out the target cleanly thats all i need.

/begin rant
also matching reticle and turrets. why the hell would anyone want MAO turrets with mil dot reticles? do one or the other. you shoot something and it impacts one mil to the right, then you adjust the turrets 1 mil to compensate. how hard is that concept?!?!? if the reticle and turrets dont match than what the hell do you do? break out a calculator and convert? grrrrrr
/end rant

the scope which i am leaning towards currently is:
Falcon 5.5-25x50mm BM Metric
http://frontierfirearms.ca/index.php/optics/scopes/falcon/falcon-5-5-25x50mm-bm-metric.html

it isnt too much more expensive than the hawke for example but has all the features i am looking for and is fairly well reviewed. also, its something which i wouldnt have any issues moving over to a long range gun.
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I also am looking at that scope , for my CZ 550 Kevlar Varmint 308 .For the money it looks to offer the most
performance for long range shooting . It is easily available in Canada but I have read some reports of problems
with warranty repair unlike it's competitors Sightron and Vortex . It is half the price though .

I agree about the magnification also . I use Weaver 24x and 36x scopes for target shooting . Zooms have
advantages hunting and in mirage situations . My minimum maximum power is 20 for long range guns .
I have old eyes , magnification helps .
 
hoytcanon said:
I would challenge the assertions made above the bolt actions are "always" more accurate than semi's... That is simply NOT true... The bolt action system is inherently more rigid and repeatable, but inspite of this I have seen some amazingly accurate semi's "right out of the box." I also challenge the assertion that a 10/22 requires a thousand dollars of aftermarket work to make it shoot accurately... I have tuned dozens of 10/22's and 10/22 platform guns for a total cost of .25 cents to $2.50 per gun. Many 10/22's require nothing more than loosing the barrel band and having a bedded pressure pad added (5 cents of hockey tape will do it), other may require pillar bedding ($1.25 brass bushings)... That and finding the right ammo (which is a must for every LR rifle regardless of action type). 10/22's do NOT "NEED" the aftermarket parts, they just kinda draw you in, and you can't seem to stop adding to the project. Having said that, I reaffirm my belief that if I were only allowed one rimfire gun it would be a solid .22 LR bolt action rifle.
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I said: All things being equal, match barrel, barrel bedding, trigger tuning, etc...a bolt action target rifle will always be more accurate than a semi-auto.
At the top shooting competitions, how many of the best shooters use bolt actions versus semi-autos? That being said, a cheap and poorly made bolt action
rifle off the shelf can certainly be out-shot by a 10/22 Target model semi-auto, for instance. But comparing the best and most accurate example of each, the
bolt action rifle will be more accurate than the semi-auto.
 
so i stumbled upon this gun this week online.
and i jumped on it.

its fathers day this weekend, so i told the wife and kids that this is what they got me.... they love me so much, its exactly what i wanted!

.22 cal Savage Mark II BTVLSS, Stainless/Laminate Thumbhole Stock, 21" LEFT HANDED!

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now i have to go optic shopping!

im interested to see how its shoots compared to my $1,000 Ruger 10/22
 
Bolt vs Semi:

It is pretty much up to preference. It will generally cost a bit more to get a semi to shoot as precisely as a bolt, but in the end you have a semi-auto.

When it comes to which one is more accurate, really depends on your perspective on accuracy. Two tricked out bolt vs semi, will both shoot better than the shooter. So the difference between the two is pretty much splitting hairs at this point.
 
On the 50 yd challenge there is only 1 auto a custom. The rest are all bolts. Very few sporters are making the grade. Lots say there gun will do it but only a few are showing it done. I would pick a varmint barrel bolt gun and go from there. Good luck
 
wayupnorth said:
so i stumbled upon this gun this week online.
and i jumped on it.

its fathers day this weekend, so i told the wife and kids that this is what they got me.... they love me so much, its exactly what i wanted!

.22 cal Savage Mark II BTVLSS, Stainless/Laminate Thumbhole Stock, 21" LEFT HANDED!

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now i have to go optic shopping!

im interested to see how its shoots compared to my $1,000 Ruger 10/22
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where did you find it? that is my ideal purchase right now but i cant find it anywhere for 22LR. its easy to find the 17HMR version but that is almost impossible. I have even contacted some suppliers and their special order possibilities have dried up.

any help would be appreciated. if i cant find your gun anywhere i might just go with a right hand BSEV
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Margucci said:
where did you find it? that is my ideal purchase right now but i cant find it anywhere for 22LR. its easy to find the 17HMR version but that is almost impossible. I have even contacted some suppliers and their special order possibilities have dried up.

any help would be appreciated. if i cant find your gun anywhere i might just go with a right hand BSEV
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that pic isnt a right handed thats a ambidextrous stock.
i have that exact boyd stock on one of my Ruger 10/22's and its fantastic!

i actually put ".22 cal Savage Mark II BTVLSS, Stainless/Laminate Thumbhole Stock, 21" LEFT HANDED Canada" into google and it came up with P&D in Edmonton.
i called them, they had it, it was here 2 days later.
 
hey, call Cabela's

i just remembered i was talking to my dad on the weekend and he said he had a flyer from Cabela's and they had them in the flyer.
i dont see it on their website, but the flyer has it.
 
i saw that they had the 17hmr last time i looked but no 22lr. i will give them a call though. i actually found out like an hour ago looking around that p & d has it. looks like they got them in stock not too long ago. maybe i will have my buddy place an order for me (damn RCMP taking forever) before they sell out.

one thing that i liked about the evolution stock is that anyone can use it. i can make due with a RH bolt especially since i will mostly be shooting off a bench. the downside of having a left hand thumbhole stock is that it makes it damn near impossible for anyone else to fire. i wonder if i can just switch to an evolution stock for a left hand bolt later on. and for me anyways, i dont like fluting. give me a heavy smooth stainless barrel any day.
 
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