- Location
- WMU247 near Edmonton
bolts only for my accurate hunting rifles, semi's have their place but not for the way I hunt.
semi autos
- Thread starter John Y Cannuck
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I think the Browning BAR is the only semi that I would use. Possibly the new Benelli Argo, but it hasn't really been around, so its hard to say. The BAR has, IMHO, withstood the test of time and is arguably the most accurate semi to boot.
I find when shooting the Garand, I find that it is very fast for an accurate, follow up shot, as well as that the Garand has a very gentle recoil cycle that makes it ideal to shoot at running game.
I think that the Garand is also ideal for road hunting from a car, since it has the quickest loading cycle on any gun, just push the eight round block into the open action, and the action will close at the same time a live round is chambered, and the safety can be preset to safe, before the eight round "en block" is loaded.
The only thing that works against the Garand is it weight.
I think that the Garand is also ideal for road hunting from a car, since it has the quickest loading cycle on any gun, just push the eight round block into the open action, and the action will close at the same time a live round is chambered, and the safety can be preset to safe, before the eight round "en block" is loaded.
The only thing that works against the Garand is it weight.
- Location
- Lakes District BC
1899 said:
I hate auto loaders for hunting but have to agree after having 3 hunters shooting BAR's there a dam fine shooting iron for a autoloader and havent seen 1 jam yet, the remmy auto anphib played with last fall misfired and the remy autoloader my dad had was famous for jamming
I love semi's.... Nothing wrong with them. Most Jams and cycle problems are caused by either of the following:
1.) Lack of proper and thorough maintanence. Autos are powder pigs and the actions and trigger assemblies get filthy with unburnt/burnt powder. YOU MUST CLEAN EVERYTIME! Not just the barrel either!!! Full strip and clean. :idea:
2.) Improper ammo. Semis are picky when it comes to ammo. DO NOT mix'n'match. Test your ammo at the range prior to hunt. If you use factory ammo, find a brand that works for the both of you.... the gun and your needs - THEN STICK WITH IT. :idea: If you reload, the same applies. Find the ideal load, test it and STICK WITH IT. :idea: The only time that I have had a semi jam is when I have had a dud or reloads that do not have the required power to cycle the action. :!:
3.) Dirty Magazines don't help things either. Pine needles, pocket lint, all 'round generic crud ####.... hamper the reliable feed through the gun.
I generally use a Pump 7600 for deer here in Northern Ontario.... But have hunted with a 7400 no problems.... I love both. :twisted: I should have bought that 7400.....
Thats by $0.02 worth before PST and GST. :lol:
1.) Lack of proper and thorough maintanence. Autos are powder pigs and the actions and trigger assemblies get filthy with unburnt/burnt powder. YOU MUST CLEAN EVERYTIME! Not just the barrel either!!! Full strip and clean. :idea:
2.) Improper ammo. Semis are picky when it comes to ammo. DO NOT mix'n'match. Test your ammo at the range prior to hunt. If you use factory ammo, find a brand that works for the both of you.... the gun and your needs - THEN STICK WITH IT. :idea: If you reload, the same applies. Find the ideal load, test it and STICK WITH IT. :idea: The only time that I have had a semi jam is when I have had a dud or reloads that do not have the required power to cycle the action. :!:
3.) Dirty Magazines don't help things either. Pine needles, pocket lint, all 'round generic crud ####.... hamper the reliable feed through the gun.
I generally use a Pump 7600 for deer here in Northern Ontario.... But have hunted with a 7400 no problems.... I love both. :twisted: I should have bought that 7400.....
Thats by $0.02 worth before PST and GST. :lol:
I have an old 11-48 Remington shotgun that never jams. I had a Winchester model 490 22 cal. that would jam every time I looked at it. I've never had a semi auto centre fire rifle but don't really see much need for one either. I suspect they are a little difficult to clean and maintain but maybe I am wrong. There seems to be a lot of happy Browning BAR owners so maybe they are not so bad. A Win 100 might be someones ticket for quick action whitetail jump shooting but not for me. Bolt actions have so many advantages it's hard to consider owning a semi. I confess a fondness for hammerless lever actions and they are also not the easiest to clean or maintain but are great to carry and use. (I am mostly thinking of Savage 99's but would love to try a Sako Finnwolf too.)
I understand the principal of must keep clean with pistol experience. Have only had an sks in semi auto rifle so no experience with hunting. I'm not in a rush to get a semi auto for any kind of hunting. Just MO....
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
stubblejumper said:
If it is chewing on your arm it is probably because you tried to replace precise shooting with putting as much lead in the air as possible,and blew the first shot or two
Of course one hand is all you really need to work a lever :twisted:
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- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
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Well, I didn't hear supercub stroking his pump with one hand, so I just had to flick my lever. :shock:
Well, I didn't hear supercub stroking his pump with one hand, so I just had to flick my lever. :shock:
Another thing about hunting with semi auto guns, is alot of people roll with the recoil rather than standing up to the gun.
It sounds goofy, but with a semi auto, they rely on gas and RECOIL to cycle the action. Alot of guys use them for their fast follow up shots, or their reduction of felt recoil and have a tendancy to soak up the recoil rather than setting themselves against it.
I can explain it like this.
I have a little cousin that hunts with us that has been shooting since he was old enough to go to school. @ 11 years old, this kid would shoot anything you handed him, and shoot it until there was no more ammo. My 300 win mag, my 14 inch 870 with 3 inch shells, you name it, he would shoot it, and all day.
The kid was absolutely numbed to recoil. (and this kid can shoot!!!)
If you want to see a good group out of a rifle, give it to him. as a young teen, he'll outshoot alot of guys I know. But, I needed to figure out how he is so numbed to heavy recoil, so we taped him shooting my 14 inch 870 with 3 inch hi velocity steel. (NO we were not trying to hurt the kid, he would shoot 3 boxes if you let him, I #### you not!)
He set his feet, and his entire upper body rolled with the gun.
and he was light enough to go with it rather than absorb it.
He is 16 now, and shot a big bull moose last year on his first year carrying a gun for moose. Second day of the hunt to boot.
But the kid still cant shoot a semi shotgun, or rifle.
My buddies 11-87, my stoeger, and M100 in 308 we had up there a few years ago, even my buddies SKS would jam, but only when he was shooting it.
The point Im trying to make, is that a semi is very sensitive to people who roll with the recoil rather than absorbing it.
It sounds goofy, but with a semi auto, they rely on gas and RECOIL to cycle the action. Alot of guys use them for their fast follow up shots, or their reduction of felt recoil and have a tendancy to soak up the recoil rather than setting themselves against it.
I can explain it like this.
I have a little cousin that hunts with us that has been shooting since he was old enough to go to school. @ 11 years old, this kid would shoot anything you handed him, and shoot it until there was no more ammo. My 300 win mag, my 14 inch 870 with 3 inch shells, you name it, he would shoot it, and all day.
The kid was absolutely numbed to recoil. (and this kid can shoot!!!)
If you want to see a good group out of a rifle, give it to him. as a young teen, he'll outshoot alot of guys I know. But, I needed to figure out how he is so numbed to heavy recoil, so we taped him shooting my 14 inch 870 with 3 inch hi velocity steel. (NO we were not trying to hurt the kid, he would shoot 3 boxes if you let him, I #### you not!)
He set his feet, and his entire upper body rolled with the gun.
and he was light enough to go with it rather than absorb it.
He is 16 now, and shot a big bull moose last year on his first year carrying a gun for moose. Second day of the hunt to boot.
But the kid still cant shoot a semi shotgun, or rifle.
My buddies 11-87, my stoeger, and M100 in 308 we had up there a few years ago, even my buddies SKS would jam, but only when he was shooting it.
The point Im trying to make, is that a semi is very sensitive to people who roll with the recoil rather than absorbing it.
- Location
- Miramichi, NB
Claven2 said:
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Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I am in a small group here but I really like and baby my 30-06 2185 Voere semi......
My Winchester 490 never jams using any 22 ammo excluding longs, shots, or dust shot or crappy ammo, like Vostok, for all you older guys who remember!
The 10/22 I have is most forgiving....but who cares when you are hunting gophers
and shooting all day......
If in all instances you keep rifle CLEAN and use the ammo the rifle was designed for, they work as all trigger operated repeaters should!
The key is proper ammo to its reliability....
My Winchester 490 never jams.....
My Winchester 490 never jams using any 22 ammo excluding longs, shots, or dust shot or crappy ammo, like Vostok, for all you older guys who remember!
The 10/22 I have is most forgiving....but who cares when you are hunting gophers
and shooting all day......
If in all instances you keep rifle CLEAN and use the ammo the rifle was designed for, they work as all trigger operated repeaters should!
The key is proper ammo to its reliability....
My Winchester 490 never jams.....
i think there garbage even if you do get a good semi theres pressure limits and well i just plain hate semi's my cousin phil had a huge cow and bull moose infront of him one year and his so called "reliable" semi jammed and he was sore when he got back too camp,just being straight up why have a semi when you can have a pump or bolt
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Like what has been stated previously ....the ammo designed for the purpose.
And I do not know about you, but irregardless of the action type I personally test my hunting ammo in the rifle i plan to hunt with. Therefore no rude surprises in the field. As well all ammo brought on hunting trip is cycled through my big game rifle to ensure proper feeding and safety, at an outdoor range. I work up a handload in a CLEAN and properly inspected arm ensuring the bedding is secure and the rings, scope and bases are reasonabley tight,ensuring at least three referances list the handload and start from below to settle on best group with reliability. Perhaps if your cousin had properly tested his rifle this may not have happened.
As well, without critter dead on ground, who really knows where he struck the game animal? This is not a slam....I find there are plenty of hunters out there that do not maintain there hunting gear and rifles to the state they should be in and do not consider all variables, no matter what action type. God forbids it ....but some people are very complaisant....and think
" Oh thats good enough." Not fair to the game, their hunting buddies, themselves and the sport of hunting.
PS "My helmets on............"
And I do not know about you, but irregardless of the action type I personally test my hunting ammo in the rifle i plan to hunt with. Therefore no rude surprises in the field. As well all ammo brought on hunting trip is cycled through my big game rifle to ensure proper feeding and safety, at an outdoor range. I work up a handload in a CLEAN and properly inspected arm ensuring the bedding is secure and the rings, scope and bases are reasonabley tight,ensuring at least three referances list the handload and start from below to settle on best group with reliability. Perhaps if your cousin had properly tested his rifle this may not have happened.
As well, without critter dead on ground, who really knows where he struck the game animal? This is not a slam....I find there are plenty of hunters out there that do not maintain there hunting gear and rifles to the state they should be in and do not consider all variables, no matter what action type. God forbids it ....but some people are very complaisant....and think
" Oh thats good enough." Not fair to the game, their hunting buddies, themselves and the sport of hunting.
PS "My helmets on............"
