I am vacationing in California and have a chance for a deal on a ML. Can I send that back to my address or would I have to actually carry it back with me? I am flying home and wonder about the airline as well. Dave
Sending Muzzle Loader from USA to Canada?
- Thread starter Dantforth
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If its not an antique you will have to get a FFL dealer to export it. You need a International Import certificate from Canada a letter of intent and a invoice all in PDF form. Export licence is now $350. Your other option is to get someone like Prophet River to do it for you.
antiqueguy
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all muzzleloaders are antique down there but all new made cap and ball(and inline) rifles and shotguns are NR here maybe no problem bringing it back your self(as long as you declar it ect) but idk about shiping
Thanks guys. I know that if I was just driving across the border with it that I could just declare it. pay the HST and show my PAL and I'd be OK as I have done this very thing before. It was the flying that I was unsure about. Import and export licenses for a private sale? I just can't grasp that as I've brought one across just two years ago. At that time I had to deal with a registration certificate which is not required now. I guess my only option is to call Canada Customs and ask. David
antiqueguy
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any new made muzzleloaders(cap lock,flintlock,inline,ect) including pistols are antique down south in just about every state i own a 1858 replica that right now is in NC
Our American cousins view all black powder firearms as "non guns ". Antiquity has nothing to do with it. Different point of view. - dan
gunsaholic
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I'd make darn sure before being caught with it in your posession while in the US. It might be a "non gun" as far as Americans are concerned but you are a Canadian in their country. That usually changes everything. A Canadian can't even legally bring a scope back as far as US customs are concerned. Canada customs doesn't care, it's the US that matters. Everything might seem fine until you get checked in the US. It should be US customs/law you are checking with to make sure.
antiqueguy
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we are sure i walked into the gun shop down in the part of NC i was in and bought the copy of the remington 1858 my self no problem and thats a pistol i keep it at a firends house there its just like a flintlock long gun here made after 1898 i was thinking about buying naa .22 cap and ball too witch i may next trip down there
- In order to bring a restricted or non-restricted firearm into Canada as a new import, an individual must be at least 18 years old and have a Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) with the licence privileges for the class of firearm that is being imported. A Possession Only Licence (POL) does not allow individuals to import a newly acquired firearm, though it does allow the re-importation of one that was temporarily taken out of Canada.
- All firearms must be declared at Canada Customs and the applicable duties and taxes must be paid. More information on the declaration process is available from the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) Border Information Services telephone service at 1‑800-461-9999 (toll-free from within Canada), or for calls outside of Canada, at 1-204-983-3500 or 1-506-636-5064. CBSA also publishes a guide titledInformation on Importing a Firearm or Weapon Into Canada(BSF5044).
Google ITAR 22 CFR 123.17(b) and inform yourself of US regulations. The OP likely has done this but his questions dealt with mailing versus checking it with his luggage. My previous note deals with the Canadian end of this process.
US homeland Security seized my muzzle loader barrel when it was mailed to me. The sender was not a FFL licensed dealer, and they did not like it at all. The barrel was clearly stamped Black Powder muzzle loader only, and they seized it, and auctioned it off.
The sender had a ton of grief over it too , and was pulled from a lineup at airport security over it, as they put him on a no fly list.
Don't mess with US Homeland security.
The sender had a ton of grief over it too , and was pulled from a lineup at airport security over it, as they put him on a no fly list.
Don't mess with US Homeland security.
antiqueguy
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thats different even then muzzle loader barrels are not controlled plenty have been shiped here no problem
Quote Originally Posted by gunsaholic View Post
I'd make darn sure before being caught with it in your posession while in the US. It might be a "non gun" as far as Americans are concerned but you are a Canadian in their country. That usually changes everything. A Canadian can't even legally bring a scope back as far as US customs are concerned. Canada customs doesn't care, it's the US that matters. Everything might seem fine until you get checked in the US. It should be US customs/law you are checking with to make sure.
This post is not to discuss regulations, Does not apply to mail order, and only concerns having a firearm or pretty much anything related in your possession in the U.S.A. for the purpose of importing or any other reason, "AS A Canadian".
I just want to endorse what gunsholic says. We live only a few miles from the U.S. border , We consider Havre Montana to be one of our main shopping centers. I have been involved with importing guns as a dealer and a individual long before 911 . I know the way it worked then and I know the way it works now. I will not put up with the BS of just walking into a store in the U.S. and buying a firearm (whether antique or not) and carrying it around the country with the purpose of importing it. When the Border Patrol--Home Land Security happen to stop you-- directly to a barred cell and I have never been stripped naked and beat with a rubber hose but they say it hurts like Hell. Now if you are real lucky the item will be seized and auctioned off , you will be sent back to Canada by the shortest and fastest route and your name red flagged on any future trips to the good ole U.S.A. This is not regulations, this is just fact. There are ways firearms or related can be imported--FOLLOW THEM and number one don't ever forget you can not tell Border Patrol or Home Land Security the rules---- They make them. Cheers
I'd make darn sure before being caught with it in your posession while in the US. It might be a "non gun" as far as Americans are concerned but you are a Canadian in their country. That usually changes everything. A Canadian can't even legally bring a scope back as far as US customs are concerned. Canada customs doesn't care, it's the US that matters. Everything might seem fine until you get checked in the US. It should be US customs/law you are checking with to make sure.
This post is not to discuss regulations, Does not apply to mail order, and only concerns having a firearm or pretty much anything related in your possession in the U.S.A. for the purpose of importing or any other reason, "AS A Canadian".
I just want to endorse what gunsholic says. We live only a few miles from the U.S. border , We consider Havre Montana to be one of our main shopping centers. I have been involved with importing guns as a dealer and a individual long before 911 . I know the way it worked then and I know the way it works now. I will not put up with the BS of just walking into a store in the U.S. and buying a firearm (whether antique or not) and carrying it around the country with the purpose of importing it. When the Border Patrol--Home Land Security happen to stop you-- directly to a barred cell and I have never been stripped naked and beat with a rubber hose but they say it hurts like Hell. Now if you are real lucky the item will be seized and auctioned off , you will be sent back to Canada by the shortest and fastest route and your name red flagged on any future trips to the good ole U.S.A. This is not regulations, this is just fact. There are ways firearms or related can be imported--FOLLOW THEM and number one don't ever forget you can not tell Border Patrol or Home Land Security the rules---- They make them. Cheers
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gunsaholic
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This is exactly what I am saying. If one thinks they are fine bcause they bought a firearm from a dealer down then, then so be it.
antiqueguy
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one thing here these are not firearms to the law anyone can walk in buy one and walk out no id check nothing any muzzleloader has less restrictions over there then a sub 500 fps pellet gun here
there is no law on the US side for these and only problems you will have is here if its a pistol if its a rifle then its not problem at all
there is no law on the US side for these and only problems you will have is here if its a pistol if its a rifle then its not problem at all
Antiqueguy:
Perhaps Homeland security needs to talk to you about what they can and can not do.
. They seized my barrel, and auctioned it off. We aplied for relief to have it released, quoted all the laws saying it should not have been seized, and in the end, they took it, and sold it. They did offer to release it if the US person sending it purchased a $350. FFL license, plus some other fee's.
The ball is in their park, and they make the rules.
Perhaps Homeland security needs to talk to you about what they can and can not do.
. They seized my barrel, and auctioned it off. We aplied for relief to have it released, quoted all the laws saying it should not have been seized, and in the end, they took it, and sold it. They did offer to release it if the US person sending it purchased a $350. FFL license, plus some other fee's.
The ball is in their park, and they make the rules.
antiqueguy
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- windsor ontario
IDK about personal sales but track of the wolf has had not problems with sending muzzleloader barrels and ive had antiques and flintlocks sent here no problem i know someone who has brought a cap lock over no problem just had to declare it after the LGR was gone
