Serbu Super Shorty Remington 870 .12ga* AOW

Dexter Morgan said:
Yes to both questions.
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No they are not !

Serbu is a manufacturer in the US, even if the barrel is cut they are not prohib in Canada, they are restricted shotguns.

Theres already a few Serbu shotguns in Canada which are restricted.

Remington do the same with their short barrel shotgun, here's my MCS with a 10" barrel clearly cut down.

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I'm not sure where this "it's a short barrel so it has to be cut" comes from.

Shotgun barrels are made from blanks, just like rifle barrels. A barrel is not considered a barrel until it has been FINISH REAMED and any extension installed. (that's how you measure it, can't measure if you can't mate up a bolt face)

So that short barrel gets cut off from a big long shotgun barrel blank, then turned on a lathe to profile. My god would there be a lot of waste if they just took 28" barrels or whatever and cut them down :p In fact a shorty barrel should be cheaper because you can make more with a single blank ;)

Dlask likely just cuts shotgun barrels the same way, cut off chunk from a blank, turn down and machine, then ream chamber and forcing cone, then finish ream and install barrel extension.


And yes, if a barrel comes in from the USA and it's been admittedly cut down, it's prohibited. The caveat to that, is how do they KNOW it's been cut down? Very much impossible to say so most people - including the RCMP - turn a blind eye to it, because it's nearly impossible to tell a professional job from a newly manufactured one.

I'd bet there are hundreds or even thousands of barrels that are cut down past 18" and technically illegal (including those from before that was a law) that are technically illegal, but impossible to tell.
 
F22_RaptoR said:
And yes, if a barrel comes in from the USA and it's been admittedly cut down, it's prohibited. The caveat to that, is how do they KNOW it's been cut down? Very much impossible to say so most people - including the RCMP - turn a blind eye to it, because it's nearly impossible to tell a professional job from a newly manufactured one.

I'd bet there are hundreds or even thousands of barrels that are cut down past 18" and technically illegal (including those from before that was a law) that are technically illegal, but impossible to tell.
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So my gun is prohibited then since it's pretty obvious that it's a cut down barrel! what should i do ? surrender it to the RCMP ?

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onetwentyish said:
If that was truley the case and it is cut below 18", you could take that barrel of and permanantly disable it, then replace it with a factory made version.
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Sad because it look cool with this 10" barrel, but like you see it's clearly a cut down barrel.
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McCoy said:
Sad because it look cool with this 10" barrel, but like you see it's clearly a cut down barrel.
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You can calm down, it’s not “clearly” a cut down barrel like the serbu is, that ones obvious and would never make it in country cause the existing roll mark is cut THAT was clearly an existing barrel that was cut it really doesn’t matter that Serbu is a manufacturer they made the gun according to THEIR countries laws and not ours unlike the dlask guns.

The Remington coming FROM Remington would never have those kinds of indicators even if the finish on the muzzle end is different than their normal shotguns it would seem pretty backwards for them to make a barrel and finish it then chop it down and waste the excess so the argument is easily made that the barrel was made that way from the factory which it is, and nobody will be able to prove otherwise unless they go and get remington themselves to admit to the process which would likely be met with a none of your business reply.

So try and not give “them” any more ideas on how to take cool guns away alright? The sky is not falling yet.
 
Waynetheman said:
You can calm down, it’s not “clearly” a cut down barrel like the serbu is, that ones obvious and would never make it in country cause the existing roll mark is cut THAT was clearly an existing barrel that was cut it really doesn’t matter that Serbu is a manufacturer they made the gun according to THEIR countries laws and not ours unlike the dlask guns.

The Remington coming FROM Remington would never have those kinds of indicators even if the finish on the muzzle end is different than their normal shotguns it would seem pretty backwards for them to make a barrel and finish it then chop it down and waste the excess so the argument is easily made that the barrel was made that way from the factory which it is, and nobody will be able to prove otherwise unless they go and get remington themselves to admit to the process which would likely be met with a none of your business reply.

So try and not give “them” any more ideas on how to take cool guns away alright? The sky is not falling yet.
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I don't know about you but the end of the barrel is clearly cut down (no rounded edge, it's a hacksaw job, easy to see by the picture) and no bead.

Not taking any chances ;) You can never be too careful !

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I think the import restrictions might have something to do with the Remington Tac 14s and the Mossberg Shockwaves not being shotguns, but rather them being in the 'Any Other Weapon' category. If those real shorties that the OP is talking about (or even just their barrels) ever touch the 'shotgun' category, then their export is restricted as Short Barrelled Shotguns.

Parts of the US system make even less sense than the Canadian system, and that's saying something.
 
McCoy said:
I don't know about you but the end of the barrel is clearly cut down (no rounded edge, it's a hacksaw job, easy to see by the picture) and no bead.

Not taking any chances ;) You can never be too careful !

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I suppose you could surrender it; or do what most of the people do and keep your mouth shut and stop bragging about it? If it's that obvious that it's a prohibited barrel then you might want to delete all your posts and pictures instead of inviting trouble ;)

Like I said, there are likely thousands of technically prohibited firearms here due to old laws or importers not knowing the laws or the RCMP changing their minds... Most of the guys that know this don't sit around bragging about it.

That's the EXACT same thing that got the Swiss Arms series prohibited. Someone didn't know when to keep their mouth shut :D
 
F22_RaptoR said:
I suppose you could surrender it; or do what most of the people do and keep your mouth shut and stop bragging about it? If it's that obvious that it's a prohibited barrel then you might want to delete all your posts and pictures instead of inviting trouble ;)

Like I said, there are likely thousands of technically prohibited firearms here due to old laws or importers not knowing the laws or the RCMP changing their minds... Most of the guys that know this don't sit around bragging about it.

That's the EXACT same thing that got the Swiss Arms series prohibited. Someone didn't know when to keep their mouth shut :D
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Dexter Morgan said:
A week from now;
McCoy will be starting a go-fund-me page to pay for his legal bills.

I hope all your bragging was worth it.
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We need a like button.

It was the feeling I got from him too more of a hey you peasants look how rare my 870 is, more than a genuine concern.
 
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