seriously... why is black badge training so expensive?
- Thread starter easysauce
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And the true colors shine through... I was very thankful for your help, and i expressed it to you. Made me stand up and speak my opinion when I would hear fellow members...Lets just say express their concerns and opinions about you.(hard to believe knowing how humble and rational you are) I'd say well he seems like a good guy...he really helped me out. But guess i should have waited untill i had an opinion you didn't care for and you decided to act 5 on the internet. Ya ya i suck, i can't shoot, i have no money, i cry... what else you got? either way.. i still appriciate your help in the past. And will attempt to be the grown up here.
stormbringer
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- S.W. Ontario
I am one of two things......
Either your best friend.
Or your worst of enemies.
There is not alot of middle ground in my world.
That is the way I roll as they say. You fell off the truck when you commented that IDPA is more of a "thinking mans game". That implies that IPSC shooters are less intelligent. Note you lacked a JK in that post.
Well than i see why so many have an opinion about you if there is no middle ground. Anyway never meant IPSC was for the less "intelligent" at all. Sad you see it that way. My thought was once you figure out how you are going to run your stage (Air gunning) as you see fit... you go do it. Meaning IPDA you have to think about what you are "suposed" to do next in the order you are told. Not the freedom of picking whichever route you feel more comfortable in shooting. Again just meaning there is more to "think" about "while shooting" to acheive less points down. Not saying IPSC is easier, Never said one was better or worse... just different. For me... thinking of all the rules in what order, what target in what sequence while trying to not get points down and penatlies is a lot to think about while on the go. This has gotting to the point of rediculous and if i seemed to be insulting anyone who shoots IPSC...clearly not my intention just defending myself. Its a great sport as all shooting sports are. A few joking fishing vests and team jersey comments later and i have the pres of my club calling me out about personal sh*t on a public forum??? wtf is that about. If that is "how you roll", than just keep on rolling by. I think if there is more to discuss, we'll do it in person.
Its ok coming from you, ya see you actually shoot IPSC...
Some days I wonder why I shoot at all...I remember golf don't miss it one bit....Cost is way to high for me...
Its ok coming from you, ya see you actually shoot IPSC...
Some days I wonder why I shoot at all...I remember golf don't miss it one bit....Cost is way to high for me...
Yeah, the price of alcohol has gotten way out of hand....
LOL wow, when I stared this thread I had no Idea there was such an interweb argument over IPDA IPSC.
anyways I have my answers, it sounds like IPSC is not for me, I just dont see myself learning new skills in it and while 250$ may be chump change to some, I dont see myself investing that kind of money in something I may not even do once a year, IPDA doesnt even happen around here, so I will stick to my 3 Gun stuff, and just be happy my WRAS membership covered training... it was just weird to me to be quoted 250-300$ for a two day pistol course, when my 3 gun stuff was included in the 40$ membership, and 3 gun is significantly more complicated/uses diff guns/rents a whole club with multiple ranges ect lol not to mention I can buy that new shotty for almost 300$. I totally get it that the instructors time is worth money, if its your full time job, yes you do need that 500$ a day payout, esp if you only work 2 days a week, so please dont interpret this as "not worth it", just not at the top of my list of things I need/want to buy.
thank you all for your input, both leagues sound fun,
anyways I have my answers, it sounds like IPSC is not for me, I just dont see myself learning new skills in it and while 250$ may be chump change to some, I dont see myself investing that kind of money in something I may not even do once a year, IPDA doesnt even happen around here, so I will stick to my 3 Gun stuff, and just be happy my WRAS membership covered training... it was just weird to me to be quoted 250-300$ for a two day pistol course, when my 3 gun stuff was included in the 40$ membership, and 3 gun is significantly more complicated/uses diff guns/rents a whole club with multiple ranges ect lol not to mention I can buy that new shotty for almost 300$. I totally get it that the instructors time is worth money, if its your full time job, yes you do need that 500$ a day payout, esp if you only work 2 days a week, so please dont interpret this as "not worth it", just not at the top of my list of things I need/want to buy.
thank you all for your input, both leagues sound fun,
Yeah...the BB course is so much more than a holster course. When I did it I really wish they had some watered down version where I could simply demonstrate competence and safety without having to take all the 'instruction' and 'training'. Something with a much smaller cost and time commitment.
I still did the BB cause I wanted to do IPSC, but I don't feel I gained very much from it. Others do gain a lot depending on where they are as shooters.
1riot1ranger
CGN Regular
- Location
- Calgary, AB
There were 5 guys in my BB class.
There were 5 instructors in my class. 2 of the top Open shooters (like 2nd and 4th that year) and the provincial Standard champion.
I shot 800 rounds over 2 days.
Included in my $250 was my annual IPSC membership and my first match fee.
Because of the safe conduct of my classmates (2 of who I'm still in contact with), we spent the bulk of our time learning how to shoot (better).
As someone who shelled out to attend a Manny Bragg course this summer, I can tell you that the BB class is probably one of the best investments you can make if you want to learn how to shoot.
I see a pile of moaning on this site about the lack of professional shooting instruction available in Canada, and yet we don't avail ourselves of one of the best introductory courses out there?!? Because it's "too expensive"? Try going to Gunsite for a week and see how that feels!
There were 5 instructors in my class. 2 of the top Open shooters (like 2nd and 4th that year) and the provincial Standard champion.
I shot 800 rounds over 2 days.
Included in my $250 was my annual IPSC membership and my first match fee.
Because of the safe conduct of my classmates (2 of who I'm still in contact with), we spent the bulk of our time learning how to shoot (better).
As someone who shelled out to attend a Manny Bragg course this summer, I can tell you that the BB class is probably one of the best investments you can make if you want to learn how to shoot.
I see a pile of moaning on this site about the lack of professional shooting instruction available in Canada, and yet we don't avail ourselves of one of the best introductory courses out there?!? Because it's "too expensive"? Try going to Gunsite for a week and see how that feels!
This thread is.. amusing.. to say the least.
Despite being a cheapass bum I managed to trump up the cash for it and enjoyed it a great deal. I'm glad I did but frankly the cost of the course is nothing compared to shooting matches and practice.
The instructor I had (Slavex), as much as I hate to admit it.. and I might delete this comment at a later date, before he reads it with any luck, was very good and everyone left with an excellent skill and knowledge base. Some have shot a whole bunch of matches since then, some only one but they all had a blast. To me IPSC gives some sort of purpose to throwing all that lead downrange. Now If only I could beat him...
Despite being a cheapass bum I managed to trump up the cash for it and enjoyed it a great deal. I'm glad I did but frankly the cost of the course is nothing compared to shooting matches and practice.
The instructor I had (Slavex), as much as I hate to admit it.. and I might delete this comment at a later date, before he reads it with any luck, was very good and everyone left with an excellent skill and knowledge base. Some have shot a whole bunch of matches since then, some only one but they all had a blast. To me IPSC gives some sort of purpose to throwing all that lead downrange. Now If only I could beat him...
again, not saying its not a great course, but paying 300$ for a 1 gun sport, when I only had to pay 40$ for a 3 gun one confused me a bit. I just didnt see why it was so much more expensive to receive training in a less complicated sport.
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I've never taken an IDPA course or this 3gun course you mention, but you can't rate a course just because of it's price. You need to consider what you get for the cost.
Was that $40 course indepth with lots of shooting and lots of new methods and skills & drillls and include any yearly membership fees ?
and is the IDPA course as indepth, etc.. as the ipsc, etc.. ? ?
if so, then you have an arguement..
If they don't and rush your thru some quick points and few rounds down range and now you're qualified.. well... hmm not sure how well you've been trained.
if they teach you much less, but cheaper course to take, then you get what you pay for. I'm not saying they do, cause I've never taken them... just saying...
IPSC black badge is very good course and you do learn alot of techniques and shooting and safety skills, using a holster and movement, etc...
If you currently shoot 3 gun, then you'll love ipsc and idpa too !!
And some details on what you were trained from your 3gun course, we'd like to hear.
SVISTI1911
CGN Regular
- Location
- Kitchener, Ontario
Why so angry???? Careful sounds like you are about to turn green and rip all your clothes......
for 3 gun, I paid 40$ for my membership first match was free, got 16 hours of fun, lots of instruction, was a learn by doing approach where I was slowly walked through every course of fire, at my own pace to pick up the more minute details, included the match fee too. put through about 300 rifle rounds, 150 pistol, 50ish shotgun, safety rules were gone over, scoring rules ect, did all the COF, so prone, urbane prone, ect with all guns, ordered shooting, shoot open a door, flying clays, swingers, el presidente, clam shells, steel targets, and tons more creative COF's that really challenged me (I found out i SUCK shooting urban prone with my pistol). its done during a normal match so it is not a "course" par se, the newbies get paired with very experienced RO's. It seemed to me like the ideal way to learn how to 3gun. everything people have listed as things you learn in a BB course, was taught there, but in addition, it was taught with a rifle and shotgun as well.
I think the reason its cheaper, is because the organizers and RO's are volunteer club members, they dont actually earn a living off the sport.
again, I am not critical the course, just the COST, just wondered WHY it was 5 times more expensive to join IPSC as a sport, then to join 3gun as a sport.
I think the reason its cheaper, is because the organizers and RO's are volunteer club members, they dont actually earn a living off the sport.
again, I am not critical the course, just the COST, just wondered WHY it was 5 times more expensive to join IPSC as a sport, then to join 3gun as a sport.
Easysauce, why is it that if you did take the BB you still wouldn't be able to go to any matches? On another note, what you take from a BB course is transferable to rifle and shotgun from a practical sense so still worth it for the info.
stormbringer
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- S.W. Ontario
Angry? me.............lol not a chance.
They didn't call it "Drama Daze" for nothing
Oh there was plenty of drama for match............from the day I was asked to MD it.
Ah you have discovered my secret.......you see I always fully expect that some will hate me.........I reslish it. You see I HOPE to be hated by those who are WRONG. That is the trick. If certain people think I am the worst thing on the planet... Then I know I am on the right course for theirs is a route to certain ruin. I guess we will find out on Jan 30th how many there are on either side.
That said............if you miss typed (forums can be sooo sooo difficult to detect subtle tones and intentions) and you did not purposefully insult all IPSC shooters by your remarks then I will take it at face value as such.
We will no doubt shake on it next time we meet..............
Cheers
I am curious as to what group directed this 3 gun course? Perhaps that is the difference. IPSC has structure as does IDPA.
Not saying that is a good thing however......the EESA Zombie match was not either.
