Service Rifle AR15

[Beaver]

Friend has a short shorty, piston gun. 7 1/2" - 8"? Chronographed it. Velocity was a lot more than we anticipated. We expected .22WRM levels, was over 2400 fps.

Wow... that is impressive. I have heard rumours of cycling / gas-system issues when the barrel is so short.

What was his opinion of his piston gun? What make and model?

 

[Longshot]

Don't know, don't care

The Bulgarian Gov't will be issuing import and re-export permits.

http://www.erc2012.eu

Full-auto is not permitted in IPSC Rifle, so it is not a consideration.

Ok well you probably should care. If the Canadian government says no guns exported to Bulgaria and you show up at the airport either heading to/returning from Bulgaria, it ain't going to matter whether you have Bulgarian permits or not. That's just me being crazy I guess. Might want to at least check into it for your own safety.

 

[Beaver]

Ok well you probably should care. If the Canadian government says no guns exported to Bulgaria and you show up at the airport either heading to/returning from Bulgaria, it ain't going to matter whether you have Bulgarian permits or not. That's just me being crazy I guess. Might want to at least check into it for your own safety.

Oh... I misunderstood what was being said.

Never considered the possibility that I would not be allowed to export my rifle, as it was imported from England (Sabre Defense exported from England, because they could not export from the United States -- Sabre Defense may have had U.S. criminal charges for export rifle components to England which they may have done to save on manufacturing costs -- Sabre Defense was subsequently sold either during the trial or after the convictions -- see also http://www.defensereview.com/five-sabre-defence-industries-executives-indicted-for-alleged-arms-export-control-act-aeca-violations-and-company-assets-auctioned-off-not-the-best-week/).

I had thought they meant restrictions importing into Bulgaria, by the Bulgarian government -- and I would not care because that is already taken care of via special government arrangement.

However, I would not be able to take my rifle to the United States and back, and that is for certain (the United States would not approve a Form 6 for it, because of its configuration).

Nope... there is no such a restriction... my rifle is NOT a prohibited (fully automatic) rifle... see also:
http://www.international.gc.ca/controls-controles/about-a_propos/expor/destination.aspx?view=d

When I saw the following text, I became worried:

The following goods, and their components and parts, as defined in section 4.1 of the Export and Import Permits Act and section 84 of the Criminal Code, are subject to the AFCCL when they are also included on the ECL:
• an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger;

http://www.international.gc.ca/controls-controles/about-a_propos/expor/destination.aspx?view=d

However, my rifle is not prohibited, and it would have to be classified as prohibited if the above AFCCL export exclusion were applicable, because the Criminal Code of Canada says:

“prohibited firearm” means

(c) an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or

(d) any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm;

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-84-20080501.html

If AFCCL export exclusion were applicable to my rifle -- I would not have been able to purchase my rifle because it was manufactured in the United Kingdom.

Interestingly, they never ask what my country of destination was when they issued the ATT.

Thank you for this education

 

[Beaver]

Thank you so very much for bring the "export" issue to my attention, guys

It is possible to temporarily "export" items on the Export Control List (ECL), but they require a temporary "export" permit. See also http://www.international.gc.ca/controls-controles/firearms_armes_a_feu/permit-licence.aspx?lang=eng&view=d

Firearms, scopes, and ammunition could be on the export control list... so I guess an email or telephone call is in order.

I'm sure everything will work out fine, but making sure all the t's are crossed is very important.

So far, I get the impression that I would not require a temporary "export" permit from the Canadian Government unless the item was classified as prohibited in Canada. See also, "A Guide to Canada's Export Controls" http://www.international.gc.ca/controls-controles/assets/pdfs/documents/exportcontrols2007-en.pdf

I guess the people asking about Canadian export in this thread, is due to their exposure to the United States' extremely controlled export policies

 

[Longshot]

Thank you so very much for bring the "export" issue to my attention

I guess the people asking about Canadian export in this thread, is due to their exposure to the United States' extremely controlled export policies

Nah I just know that when we are doing film projects overseas there are certain countries that we are not allowed to take our guns to. Although I believe its FA I thought it might be a good idea to check first with whatever you are taking. Hate to see anyone's stuff get taken or you end up in the slammer for not knowing it was a no no. Really its a stupid rule.
Good luck and have fun over there.

 

[Beaver]

An export permit is required for any class of firearm being exported to a country other than the United States, even if the export is only temporary -- for example, if you take a firearm to another country to hunt or to target shoot. When you apply for an export permit, you must include an import permit from the country of destination and from any other countries that the firearm will be travelling through en route.

I require the Bulgarian import/re-export permit before I can apply for the Canadian issued temporary export permit and I may have been informed about this requirement when I received said Bulgarian import/re-export permit. Once again, thank you for letting me know that this is an area of concern!

See also: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/im-ex-eng.htm#f2

 

[Longshot]

No worries.I hope it works out!

 

[tiriaq]

Something else you might want to research.....
Presumably your flight is not direct, Canada to Bulgaria. Could there be any issues passing through other countries, airports, en route?

 

[Beaver]

Something else you might want to research.....
Presumably your flight is not direct, Canada to Bulgaria. Could there be any issues passing through other countries, airports, en route?

Already addressed that when I booked my flight.

It works like this: Do you need to collect your baggage when you make your connecting flight?

YES: You need an import/re-export permit.
NO: You do not need an import/re-export permit (you were never in possession of the firearm in that country).

I could not take a connecting flight in Brussels because I would need to claim my baggage. My connecting flight in German does not require me to claim my baggage, so I am good to go