Service Rifle Calgary
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Where the ##### do you dig this sh!t up from? If you or any of the other Fullbore fudds ever came to a CSRA competition you'd know for fact we ran a bonafide DCRA program. We ran Service pistol, service rifle and precision rifle. I understand why you never made it out to a proper shooting competition that tests shooter ability. I can appreciate how bitter most of you would feel with your spendy belly-rigs getting your a$$es kicked by a bunch of ex-service guys with stock guns and ammo.
The Fullbore club -rather, individuals within Fullbore most certainly did have an agenda -it is bloody well documented in APRA executive minutes no less.
Um, NO! It was one individual. Not the group, not the executive as a whole, but ONE.
If you account for the APRA TREASURER you have TWO.
That is not entirely correct.
The CSRA did hold meetings, and yes there were minutes taken - that is of no consequence to the APRA or anyone else outside of the CSRA. The accounting was poor, but not unheard of for a not-for-profit.
Tell me again where is the proper accounting within the APRA?!?
Why has the APRA general membership not demanded the APRA executive cough it up?
How is it that the CSRA President was able to get away with not forwarding membership dues every year to the APRA TREASURER when the APRA books needed (and were apparently) audited every year? Especially when they collect approx. $80,000 every two years from casino funds?
How is it it just so happens that the two past APRA Presidents (who the Treasurer reports to) on the committee reviewing the CSRA reinstatement for the time period in question sat on and were responsible for the outcome?
If the CSRA accounting was as bad as it was (and by all accounts it certainly appears that way) what was the APRA reporting?
What about other clubs within the APRA? - they use (or at least used) the same screwed up system of membership book issuances. Where is the auditing of those clubs? Does that mean Buffalo, smallbore, rosebud, Biathalon, Swiss club Tell also fold?
You have bought into the notion that if the bath water is dirty, you throw out the basin and baby with it. It is pure nonsense!
There is a clear explanation for all of this. Yes the CSRA president screwed up, and the entire discipline paid for it.
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You can hold a valid provincial club membership from another province and attend matches in your home province as well you could live in Ontario and hold a BCRA membership and it is honored all across Canad in any of the PRA`s DCRA events .All the PRA`s are Conjoint members under the rules defined by the DCRA any PRA member can shoot at sanctioned DCRA events at no further cost to the PRA member .The APRA Fullbore has several members that reside in BC that attend matches at Homestead and also attend matches in there home province of BC with only a valid APRA membership.
Have you read and followed every bit of this drama from it's start almost 2 years ago? Have you read headdamage's posts on here and on the APRA forum where he was clearly acting in good faith to fix the situation? He was then lied too and cheated despite no ill will of his own. (Read up on the whole key issue.)
Beltfed has hit the nail on the head repeatedly, this conclusion is obvious to anyone who has followed this since day 1.
Gunnerlove
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Vancouver Island
Service Rifle shooting was the reason the DCRA and PRAs were created and the only reason civilians can access military ranges.
The hobby side of marksmanship competition has been allowed to run free for far to long in this country.
The hobby side of marksmanship competition has been allowed to run free for far to long in this country.
Wrong. APRA is not co-joined, as we do not compete on a miltary range in the province - the Homestead range is leased on Crown land by the APRA. Correct that PRA memberships are respected beyond the provincial boundaries at fullbore matches (demonstrated basic insurance coverage), however PRA's are starting to look at the residency aspect for persons who are avoiding PRA memebrship for their different reasons. What you have identified here is a rare practise, largely those from Kamloops who live closer to Homestead than Vokes.
Seafury – Your posts in this thread exemplify the problem here. You are either oblivious to the real truth or in total denial of the real problem. I haven’t posted this before but here is my story:
I have been an active shooter for many years. A friend of mine and I had finally acquired the equipment to start shooting service rifle. We both signed up for memberships to the CSRA (APRA) months before this fiasco. Unfortunately we hadn’t been able to get out to any competitions and then the emails started and the earlier threads came about. I as a new member at APRA and new to shooting service rifle was being told that my club did something wrong and that I was no longer welcome at the APRA. After reading through the entire BS I came to the conclusion that I was swept up in an ugly power struggle at the APRA. Basically I have come to the understanding that the current APRA old boys club didn’t like sharing their range time. If that wasn’t the case why would they have not worked with the people who took over the CSRA and were trying to make things right? When I think about it I can only conclude that a vengeful group with an ulterior motive got their way.
So what is the fallout?
Growing the sport and bringing more into the shooting community regardless of their discipline is what should be the goal. If the APRA execs are trying to promote firearms usage they have done at the least a poor job and at the most have directly gone against what all gun owners should be doing. Since this incident I have told anyone that will listen to not join the APRA. I have told them to save up and join an indoor club. I have even told them to drive a little further and join a good club like Drumheller instead.
In my opinion this whole fiasco has only accomplished some extra shooting time for some fudds at the APRA. In the big picture they have set back the shooting sports in Calgary with their short sighted self-serving ways.
p.s. Thank you kombayotch for keeping this thread open as I believe what was done was atrocious and shouldn’t be swept under the rug.
I have been an active shooter for many years. A friend of mine and I had finally acquired the equipment to start shooting service rifle. We both signed up for memberships to the CSRA (APRA) months before this fiasco. Unfortunately we hadn’t been able to get out to any competitions and then the emails started and the earlier threads came about. I as a new member at APRA and new to shooting service rifle was being told that my club did something wrong and that I was no longer welcome at the APRA. After reading through the entire BS I came to the conclusion that I was swept up in an ugly power struggle at the APRA. Basically I have come to the understanding that the current APRA old boys club didn’t like sharing their range time. If that wasn’t the case why would they have not worked with the people who took over the CSRA and were trying to make things right? When I think about it I can only conclude that a vengeful group with an ulterior motive got their way.
So what is the fallout?
Growing the sport and bringing more into the shooting community regardless of their discipline is what should be the goal. If the APRA execs are trying to promote firearms usage they have done at the least a poor job and at the most have directly gone against what all gun owners should be doing. Since this incident I have told anyone that will listen to not join the APRA. I have told them to save up and join an indoor club. I have even told them to drive a little further and join a good club like Drumheller instead.
In my opinion this whole fiasco has only accomplished some extra shooting time for some fudds at the APRA. In the big picture they have set back the shooting sports in Calgary with their short sighted self-serving ways.
p.s. Thank you kombayotch for keeping this thread open as I believe what was done was atrocious and shouldn’t be swept under the rug.
This is very much the case, and in every way. I would like to see way more people shooting way more disciplines in Canada. This cohesive and diverse community is what will keep shooting sports alive.
I really hope that most feel and act this way, but for those that don't, it was the DCRA who successfully argued that the AR-15 should not be prohibited because it was used in DCRA Service Rifle competition.
Whether one's current interest be IPSC, or Trap. Fullbore or smallbore. Hunting, or collecting, the cohesiveness illustrated by the DCRA is something that we need to foster. Do you think that those that tried to prohibit the AR-15 aren't eyeing handguns, shotguns, long range rifles, etc? Which is a better counterpoint, a splintered set of facets of the shooting sports, or a unified voice able to illustrate a meaningful hobby?
To this end, one thing that I picked up early when I started competing was being willing to loan my gear to new shooters. Bring factory ammo, and I have gear that we at least works as poorly as I am doing. :/ LOL
IMO there are far too many ranges that sit unused most of the time. There are lots of people in the area who work shift work, or would take PTO to shoot. Lets fill the ranges up with good competitors.
MuleyStalker
CGN Regular
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- Wainwright, Ab
I made contact with the APRA a little while ago, and I'm not really pleased with the info that I received. In order to be a member, I have to pay the first timer fee (I can understand that), the Club dues (OK with that), BUT, I have to pay to become a member of one of the other disciplines, none of which is SR (which is what I want to shoot).
Due to time and distance, it is very unlikely that I will ever be able to get to a match at Homestead. In the event that I end up with an F-class rifle, I still don't know if I would, or could, ever get there. I have excellent ranges available to me in Wainwright, and a Club that has a number of people who are willing to start up a SR faction here. We are starting to entertain the hosting of a SR shoot here. There are some logistics to work out, but it is entirely doable. How much interest is out there? How many guys and gals would come out? But, maybe I'm getting ahead of myself.
How do we sort out this APRA issue, as it applies to SR? There must be a SR faction in the PRA, period. If not, how does a person then go to NSCC and compete? The DCRA states that you must be a member of your PRA in order to compete. And just who does the APRA think they are by telling someone that there is no place for them in the PRA because said person is a SR shooter? If this kind of elitist BS isn't stopped, we can expect our firearms privileges, rights, or whatever you want to call them, to be further eroded. Divide and conquer....does that not ring a bell??? Maybe the DCRA needs to weigh in on this, as it was their arguments about the AR15 that have helped to keep SR alive across this country.
I am not an inexperienced shooter; I spent my entire military career shooting, on one team or another. I made the CF Bisley team six times, I've been to Camp Perry, and to the ASSAM in Australia. I've been away from the game for a bit, but the desire, and the skill, is still there. I intend to compete in Ottawa again, so let's get on with sorting out this mess with APRA. I welcome any replies, both here or by PM.
As well, I echo Carbonrod's statement that we need to get more shooters out there, for the future of our sport.
MS
Due to time and distance, it is very unlikely that I will ever be able to get to a match at Homestead. In the event that I end up with an F-class rifle, I still don't know if I would, or could, ever get there. I have excellent ranges available to me in Wainwright, and a Club that has a number of people who are willing to start up a SR faction here. We are starting to entertain the hosting of a SR shoot here. There are some logistics to work out, but it is entirely doable. How much interest is out there? How many guys and gals would come out? But, maybe I'm getting ahead of myself.
How do we sort out this APRA issue, as it applies to SR? There must be a SR faction in the PRA, period. If not, how does a person then go to NSCC and compete? The DCRA states that you must be a member of your PRA in order to compete. And just who does the APRA think they are by telling someone that there is no place for them in the PRA because said person is a SR shooter? If this kind of elitist BS isn't stopped, we can expect our firearms privileges, rights, or whatever you want to call them, to be further eroded. Divide and conquer....does that not ring a bell??? Maybe the DCRA needs to weigh in on this, as it was their arguments about the AR15 that have helped to keep SR alive across this country.
I am not an inexperienced shooter; I spent my entire military career shooting, on one team or another. I made the CF Bisley team six times, I've been to Camp Perry, and to the ASSAM in Australia. I've been away from the game for a bit, but the desire, and the skill, is still there. I intend to compete in Ottawa again, so let's get on with sorting out this mess with APRA. I welcome any replies, both here or by PM.
As well, I echo Carbonrod's statement that we need to get more shooters out there, for the future of our sport.
MS
Personally, I'd love to do/run DCRA affiliated SR here in the Edmonton area, except i don't want to deal with the APRA (citing Calgary and others' experiences). And I doubt DCRA would let you do a direct affiliation without the PRA's involvement (which is too bad). Also, we need a 500m range up here....
Let's get a petition or something going...
Gunnerlove
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Vancouver Island
The APRA is sitting on access to military ranges and that is perhaps their biggest crime against the gun community.
Everywhere there is a military range in Alberta there should be a SR practice and comp every couple of months.
Everywhere there is a military range in Alberta there should be a SR practice and comp every couple of months.
Bolivar
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
You don't need to be a member of a PRA to compete at NSCC.
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I think you are kidding yourself.
The DCRA is headed by Fullbore shooters for Fullbore shooters.
(One of) The individual within the APRA that is on record as wanting SR off the 900m range and out of the APRA just happens to be the past APRA president, current director of APRA Fullbore, and current DCRA VP for Alberta.
I would hedge a bet the DCRA are well aware of the issues, and are getting a lop-sided view from the likes of the individual mentioned above.
If SR is ever to get a fair shake within this province (or any other province or at the national level for that matter) there needs to be less SR member apathy -more members, more voting, and more stepping into roles and responsibilities within the respective orgs.
