"Service Rifle-Classic" Division at NSCC

I agree with Greentips; look to the future not the past. Any flavor of PRS style shooting fills matches way beyond what I have ever seen in any SR match (civilian attendance). And it's been proven time and time over that this old style gallery range shooting does not build the basics in a better way. David Tubb (arguably the best long range gallery range shooter in the US) shot PRS one year and didn't even qualify for the finally. There were over 130 guys above him, most of whom have never shot on a gallery range in their lives. The shooter who won MLRSC last year place 5th overall in the league his first year shooting. He never competed in rifle matches before that year. His background was long range hunting in the prairie states out west...

The most fun matches I have ever shot have been PRS Gas Gun Series matches (which have offhand stages too). What Ryan and Ken are doing at Petawawa (on a gallery range) could also be done as a Gas Gun Series style match, and you could easily have a class like that for "classic" SR rifles to compete against each other. I would wager that attendance would FAR exceed anything you would ever get from tweaking the NSCC/CAFSAC style matches in any way, shape or form. MLRSC gets over 120 civilians paying a $275 match fee plus travel and hotel expenses...
 
Service Rifle is all about fire and movement, snap, rapids and deliberates. Throw in simple movers matches, close in CQB/FIBUA matches, and the always popular falling plates team elimination matches.
That is what Service Rifle is all about, and it is all designed to be easily done on the current DND gallery ranges, where you can get large numbers of shooters of various levels of experience, getting large numbers of rounds down range, in a safe manner.
This style of shooting naturally follows the way the military trains it shooters. A graduated teaching system where you are trained to shoot as an individual, but more importantly also as part of a disciplined team, where the individual isn't free to pick what targets to shoot at, or when to shoot at it. They are told when to shoot, where to shoot (their arcs), and at what rate, and when to stop. They follow the orders of their section or platoon commander, or someone who has the authority to order lethal fires. It isn't free style, first person Call of Duty type of shooting, where it is just you against the world.

I am convinced that there is a place for Service Rifle matches, even in their current configuration, and of course there is also a place for the PR and PRS style of matches. All good stuff, and all the more events to get good trigger time.

Service Rifle isn't free style, and isn't meant to be free style.
PRS is more free style, and that is what it is meant to be.
Their aims are different, and there should be no tension between the disciplines.

Having DCRA adopt PRS style matches as a supported discipline is a good subject to debate, but it should be split out from this current thread.

Anyway, back to the creation of a more "classic" division within Service Rifle. Anymore opinions or comments?,, as the DCRA is going to make decisions on this sometime soon.

PS: Good points by everyone so far. The points raised on advertising the matches is one that I believe the DCRA really needs to take to heart, not only with Service Rifle, but all the other DCRA shooting disciplines.
 
In my opinion here is no need for 3 classes. There should be 2 classes: Open and Classic. CF issue equipment is competitive in classic. The QM is no longer awarded at NSCC, so that is a non-issue.

SVC style matches run in relays allow more people to do more shooting with less waiting around and fewer staff. Changing the scoring and indication of the deliberate, along with eliminating the waiting relay would reduce the length of the match by 1/3 to 1/2 without sacrificing round count.
 
Quiet said:
There should be 2 classes: Open and Classic. CF issue equipment is competitive in classic.
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Agreed.
This is the path that the DCRA NSCC working group would like to take.
The first step is to establish the class this year, and get some real metrics to compare classic with the CF Class.
With some tweaking, we should be able to make them level enough to just end up with an open class, and a classic/CF class.
 
Anyone looked at the BCRA website? Sounds like I will be making a few trips with BC Ferries this year........

I know I know, not expecting sympathy from the Van Island guys and gals who have done it for years :p
 
For a "classic" rifle, the definition should be kept as simple as possible. For example: chromed bore; 5lb trigger; scope power sealed with a sticker at 4X.
 
I think you are all overthinking this. The reason I see the dwindling civilian numbers at NSCC is the scheduling. Who can take a full week - right at the same time as back to school, to travel to Ottawa? Double the entry fee - we civilians can afford it, it's the TIME that matters more, and the experience. Plus you have the Meaford PRS shoot almost at the same time so for some it's a choice between either. In addition the precision shoot has become a money grab for the DCRA with 3/4 of the shooters being CF DM. You have total newbies unable to score or pull targets, and not giving a F either. Many of these DM shooters are just there to fill in time between pistol and service rifle. Maybe precision should go first, no DM, then pistol and service. Cut it down to 5 days lapping onto a weekend. Right now it is just too darn long. That's my two pesos worth...
 
sledge said:
In addition the precision shoot has become a money grab for the DCRA with 3/4 of the shooters being CF DM. You have total newbies unable to score or pull targets, and not giving a F either. Many of these DM shooters are just there to fill in time between pistol and service rifle...
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The DM is cut this year.
 
sledge said:
I think you are all overthinking this. The reason I see the dwindling civilian numbers at NSCC is the scheduling. Who can take a full week - right at the same time as back to school, to travel to Ottawa? Double the entry fee - we civilians can afford it, it's the TIME that matters more, and the experience. Plus you have the Meaford PRS shoot almost at the same time so for some it's a choice between either. In addition the precision shoot has become a money grab for the DCRA with 3/4 of the shooters being CF DM. You have total newbies unable to score or pull targets, and not giving a F either. Many of these DM shooters are just there to fill in time between pistol and service rifle. Maybe precision should go first, no DM, then pistol and service. Cut it down to 5 days lapping onto a weekend. Right now it is just too darn long. That's my two pesos worth...
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I agree with pretty much everything you just said.
 
The NSCC registration document is posted on the DCRA website. It looks like the civilian shooters are broken into 2 classes now, while there is still a separate class for the military.
 
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