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Here is a review by a very well known Service Rifle Shooter.Keith has been the National Champ several years in a row.

Best Tactical Rifle Sight
By Keith A Cunningham
Over the past many years of doing our Tactical Rifle courses we have gained considerable experience with the various equipment. I have spent a military career shooting on rifle teams against almost every rifle and sight in the world. Linda and I have coached several CF shooting teams to Bisley and Australia and have carefully watched and asked questions about the equipment the other armies of the world are using or testing. We are at the point where we can recognize those that will likely give us some trouble on a course and those that can be depended on to keep working. In the vast majority of cases, it is the sight that is the weak link in the tactical rifle system. To that point, we would like to voice our opinion on which of the tactical rifles sights we think are the best.
We are specifically going to discuss the best sight for all around tactical use – that is to say the best scope to use across a room, as well as shooting out to 500 meters. It is illogical to us to use a scope that is perfect for short range work and have none of the characteristics that would make it effective at long range. If you can have a scope that will do both short and long range equally well, it would be the logical one to use. We have no particular loyalty to any manufacturer. We are simply following the old saying, “Beauty is as beauty does”. The one major characteristic that a scope must have is the ability to retain its zero from day to day.
But it wasn’t designed for competition…

Every time a sight doesn’t work and it is brought up to the manufacturer, we keep getting the reply, “…but it wasn’t designed for competition.” So we want to make a point about this.
The competitions that we have been involved with are tactical/service rifle competitions. They use humanoid type targets, usually the Figure 11 and 12 military targets. The range is from 25 to 500 meters, the four basic positions are used and the types of fire include deliberate, snaps, rapid and fire with movement (sometimes lots of movement). Sights are expected to do in competition the very same thing they are expected to do in combat, except that a competition it is easier. If the sight can’t handle competition, it doesn’t have a chance in combat.
The biggest difference between combat and competition is that in preparation for a competition, we shoot a confirmation zero group every day and sometimes twice a day. We keep records as to which sight holds its zero from day to day, trying to replace those that don’t. In combat the soldier doesn’t have that opportunity and will often go to the field with a sight that is no longer zeroed and no one will know it.
Whether in combat or in a competition, if the sight will stay zeroed, the user can likely take care of the rest.
It is our experience that all of the other armies in the world that we have competed against use these types of competitions to test their equipment. If the sight can’t handle the relatively calm and gentle rigors of competition, it certainly won’t be able to survive combat.
What do we want a tactical sight to do?
Lightweight and Compact
The sight should be lightweight so as not to make the rifle top heavy. It should be compact because there is just no need for a big sight.
Robust
The sight must be robust enough to withstand everyday use. A good test for this is to first zero the rifle and scope. Then have the user negotiate an obstacle course and then confirm the zero by shooting another group. The scope must be able to survive at least a short drop test and continue to function. The test here is that it must not only survive, but maintain its zero.
Effective at both Short and Long Range
The scope must be capable of being used effectively at both short and long range. It must have a large field of view for short range and a proper reticle for precise shots and for use at long range. There are scopes that have this capability, so why not have the best of both worlds?

View around the sight
The edges of the sight, that area immediately around the outside of the lens, should be as narrow as possible. If this area is too thick or it has large battery compartments and sight adjustment dials, it becomes difficult to look around the sight while still looking through the sight. This limits your total field of view and your peripheral vision.
Close Range Field of View
The scope must have a large field of view at close range. This is to provide for fast and accurate target acquisition.
Variable power (not switch power)
The sight should have variable power from 1 power to not greater than 5-power with 3 or 4 power being a good high-end compromise. This allows the sight to be used in a great variety of situations. If the user is doing an entry or is otherwise in a confined close-range situation, the sight can be set on low power providing the largest field of view. If the user finds himself on containment or needs to make a shot from a distance, some magnification is useful to fire a precise shot or to help in identifying the target. The user should be trained to always keep the power set on its lowest power, as one can always shoot a shot on low power but it might be difficult to find and engage a near target on high power.
If the scope is to be used for the specific duties of the “designated marksman”, then the scope should be variable from 1 to 10 power.
The scope needs to be variable power so that it can be set on any specific power that is best for the situation. Switch power scopes must be set on whatever power the factory provided. This is normally the lowest and the highest power; there are no options for intermediate power settings.
Battery dependency
The sight should not be dependent on a battery for its sight reticle. Despite the advertised battery life expectancy of some sights, we have found that on every course, 3 to 5 scopes (about a third) will stop working in the middle of an exercise because the batteries went dead. If this happens so often on course, imagine what can happen on operations? Being caught out this way is not a matter of “if”, it’s a matter of “when”.
Maintain zero
The sight must be able to maintain a zero. We have frequently found, because on our courses we check the zero at least once a day, that many of the tactical optic sights will not hold a zero, even overnight. Some vary only a little, and a few clicks will put it back on. Others will be on one day and miss a man-sized target the next.
The good scopes will zero quickly with adjustments showing up on the target as expected.

The not so good ones will take many more groups and a lot more time to achieve a zero. Adjustments will sometimes be 3 or 4 times larger than advertised and once thought to be zeroed, a confirmatory group will show that it has shifted again. It is now our rule of thumb that if a scope is hard to zero, it won’t maintain a zero from day to day.
Maintain Zero on all magnification Adjustments
With modern scope technology, maintaining a zero from one magnification setting to another is a point hardly worth mentioning. However, a good tactical scope must be able to do this. There are some that will experience a zero shift when moving from one power to another.
Internal adjustments
All moving parts and adjustments must be internal to protect them from the environment.
Zero Adjustment Increments
The adjustment increments for zeroing should not be greater than ½ minute of angle per click. We have frequently had scopes, with coarse adjustments, on the “magic click”. This is when, for example, the group is currently printing right and when adjusted one click left, then group is then printing left, and no adjustment provides a centered group.
Sight Reticle
The sight reticle should be one that can be used for in-close quick shooting and yet fine enough for precision shots. The dual-X type reticle is a good compromise for both situations. It is simple and is not considered “busy” and therefore easy to acquire in a hurry and position carefully for accuracy.
Easily adjustable for elevation and windage
The scope should have adjustments for elevation and windage that are easy to use. Because we are talking about an all around tactical scope (good for across a room and also good back to 500 meters) it needs to be adjustable for elevation and windage.
Attaching to the rifle
The scope must be attached to the rifle with sufficient security so as to keep it from shooting loose. Anything attached to a rifle with only “hand tight” tension will eventually shoot loose.
Eye Relief
The scope should have enough eye relief to allow it to be mounted far enough forward so that it can be shot from any position while the operator is wearing a helmet. As well, a problem can develop if during firing the recoil causes the scope to bump against the shooter or his helmet. With proper eye relief, the shooter has a greater field of view around the scope so he has better peripheral vision and can better see other targets or if friendlies approach his line of fire.
 
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A look at some of the sights that are available
The sights that are specifically talked about here are ones with which we have had some experience. There are others not mentioned that will fit the above mentioned characteristics. We favor any scope that fits these characteristics.
EO-Tech
The EO-Tech is one of the most popular close-range sights and is the one we see the most of on our police tactical rifle courses.
Advantages:
• It is lightweight and compact;
• It has a large close range field of view;
• It is excellent for short range work;
• View around the sight while in the aim is excellent;
• The zero adjustment increments are ½ MOA (although sometimes they seem to be larger);
• It can be attached to the rifle in a secure manner (but still needs to be checked occasionally);
• It has internal zeroing adjustments; and
• It has plenty of eye relief to allow it to be used while the operator is wearing a helmet.
Disadvantages:
• It has no magnification and therefore has limitations for distance shooting;
• It is battery dependent. If the battery goes dead, there is no reticle;
• The sight reticle is difficult to use at long range or for precise shots;
• It has no reliable means to adjust for elevation or windage;
• It does not reliably retain a zero. It is also very difficult to get zeroed. We have had experiences where, during a tactical rifle course, almost all of the rifles using these scopes were making zeroing adjustments daily. We have seen them, during the final shooting test, suddenly experience a zero shift. In one case, this caused a student who was potentially going to top the course to place last. (What might this zero shift have cost him on operations?) The better scopes are zeroed within the first couple of groups and then stay zeroed;
• This sight is best suited for short ranges and less for long ranges. It does not have the best of both worlds; and
• Since virtually all of the EO-Tech sights, that we have had experience with, require its zero to be adjusted daily, its robustness is questionable.
Aim Point
Advantages:
• It is lightweight and compact;
• It has a large close range field of view;

• It is excellent for short range work;
• The zero adjustment increments are ½ MOA (although sometimes they seem to be larger);
• It can be attached to the rifle in a secure manner;
• It has internal zeroing adjustments; and
• It has plenty of eye relief to allow it to be used while the operator is wearing a helmet.
Disadvantages:
• The sight itself has no magnification, but can be used with a 3 power magnifier. However, the magnifier is a separate unit. It is attached to the rail behind the sight, when needed. This unit takes time to install and being a separate unit needs to be kept handy for use. As a separate unit, it will invariably get lost or misplaced;
• View around the sight while in the aim is odstructed by a battery compartment;
• The dot reticle is very large and not suitable for precise shooting or for shooting at a distance;
• There is no reliable means to adjust for elevation or windage; and
• The scope is best suited for short ranges and less for long ranges. It does not have the best of both worlds.
Elcan (C-79)
We have the most experience with this scope and it is not good. We have received many negative comments about this scope from members of the military returning from Afghanistan. I have personally used this sight since it came into the CF and since then we have coached several CF teams to international competitions. It is my opinion, based on this experience, that this sight has always been the weak link of the system and has resulted in lost matches. Several other armies have tested this sight in competition and found it was not suitable for further testing.
Advantages:
• It has excellent elevation adjustment that is easy and clear to use. However, the preset settings are not always correct. When zeroed at 200 meters (its closest setting), it is usually on at 300 meters when set at 3, on sometimes at 400 meters when set on 4 and hardly ever on at 500 meters when set on 5;
• It is not battery dependent; and
• Although not the reticle I would want, the sight reticle can be used effectively at close and long range and on precise targets.
Disadvantages:
• It is heavy and makes the rifle feel top heavy and out of balance;
• It is fixed power at 3.4 which makes it less effective at close range;
• It has a very limited field of view at close range;
• Its main disadvantage is that all of the sight adjustments are exposed to the elements. These moving parts are designed to fly apart and then return to battery...
 
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by means of springs. All the dirt and grit that accumulates within these parts is moved around with each shot, changing the zero. At times the parts fly apart and do not come back together, causing a shot to strike very high. We have experienced windage zero shifts of 5 or more clicks and elevation shifts of 3 or more clicks (each click is 1 MOA);
• The zero adjustment increments are 1 MOA, which is too coarse to obtain a proper zero;
• One of its characteristics which are the most difficult to understand is that it is to be mounted with only hand tension. Virtually every Elcan sight that we have ever been associated with (and that would be several thousand by now) has shot loose at one time or another. On the many Canadian Forces shooting teams that we have coached, we have created a new shooting drill that calls for you to check your mounting screws before firing, during firing and after firing. Solders have intentionally broken off the plastic mounting wing nuts so that they could apply the pliers in their Gerber tool to the mounting device, in order to finally get it mounted so it will not shoot loose.
• The sight has insufficient eye relief which means the sight will touch the helmet during firing. We have seen zero shifts that will miss a body target at 100 meters because the helmet was touching the scope;
• We have had experience with this scope since it was introduced into the CF and from the beginning, it has been a constant problem to maintain a zero. We have witnessed zero shifts from one group to the next, during a practice and during a match;
• Since virtually all of these Elcan scopes, that we have had experience with, require their zeroes to be adjusted daily, their robustness is questionable;
• The scope is best suited for longer ranges and less for short ranges. It does not have the best of both worlds; and
• It has a very thick rubber coat over the scope body that makes it difficult to see around. This in combination with its short eye relief results in poor peripheral vision while in the aim.
Specter RD by Elcan
This scope has recently shown up on our range during a course and we had the opportunity to watch it perform. As this was the first Specter sight that we have seen in use, we didn’t get a chance to test it in detail.
Advantages:
• It is lightweight and compact and is smaller and lighter than the C-79;
• The view around the sight while in the aim is good;
• The sight reticle is good for close and long range;
• The sight is not battery dependent;
• The sight seemed to maintain its zero as long as it was kept on 4 power; and
• It has a good field of view when on one power.
Disadvantages:
• It has all of the working parts exposed to the environment;
• The mounting system is the quick detachable kind and although it mounts up more solidly than the C-79, it does eventually wear loose and then there is no means to tighten it onto the rail;
• It is a switch power scope with two settings – 1 power and 4 power; and
• When switched from 1 power to 4 power, it did not maintain a zero. Once we had the scope properly zeroed at 100 meters on 4 power, we adjusted it to 1 power and fired another group. This second group printed approximately 8 inches high and right of the first group.
ACOG
This sight is being used by the Australian, New Zealand, and United States Armies and is being used by some units in the British army.
Advantages:
• This sight is lightweight and compact;
• It is easy to see around;
• It is not battery dependent;
• It has internal adjustments;
• It has ½ MOA adjustments;
• The sight reticle can be used effectively at close and long range;
• It is adequately secured to the rifle;
• The sight has sufficient eye relief to prevent contact with a helmet; and
• It is robust and will maintain its zero.
Disadvantages:
• It does not have variable power and is usually in a fixed 3 or 4 power. This will cause it to have a very poor field of view at close range and the targets will appear slightly blurred. In fact, the sight comes with a mounting bracket on it so that a small “heads up” type sight can be installed for short range use. We feel that having two sights that can be used will create problems, especially under stress. It is hard enough to learn to use one sight well. This second sight is delicate, protrudes out from the main scope and will be soon damaged (no matter how robust it is claimed to be – this is its weakest link);
• It has no means to adjust for elevation. Instead, it has a series of hash marks on the vertical reticle that are used to hold over for longer ranges; and
• It is not a good scope for close range.
Leupold CQT
It is our experience that the Leupold CQT is the best all-around scope for all tactical purposes. Whenever this scope turns up on our courses, we relax because we can expect it to work. I have used this scope from the end of the muzzle out to 500 meters and back again. I made adjustments for elevation and windage by using the zeroing adjustment dials

and although not ideal, they did work and the scope returned to zero. I have used the illuminated reticle for night shooting and throughout a variety of light conditions kept all my shots within a 6-inch aiming circle at 100 meters. The Leupold CQT has all of the characteristics needed to make it effective for any and all situations.
We were recently at a world level military competition in Australia. The team that won the overall championship was using the Leupold CQT.
Advantages:
• This sight is lightweight and compact;
• It has an excellent field of view, especially on 1 power;
• It has internal zeroing adjustments;
• View around the sight while in the aim is excellent;
• It has variable power from 1 to 3. This variation of power is internal and can be accomplished with a quick turn of the ocular lens housing;
• The reticle is not battery dependent but does use a battery to illuminate for low light shooting;
• There is still a reticle even if the battery goes dead;
• Our experience with this scope is that it has always held its zero. Its adjustments are internal and are very reliable. These scopes zero quickly on the first zeroing session and require no further adjustments;
• Although the reticle is not ideal, I have used it effectively at close and long range;
• The scope can be attached to the rifle in the most secure manner;
• The eye relief is sufficient to be used with a helmet;
• Zero adjustment increments are in ½ MOA;
• Although the elevation and windage adjustments are not ideal, I have used both back to 500 meters effectively. They both returned to exact zero;
• The scope is robust and maintains its zero; and
• This scope maintained its zero when adjusted from 1 power to 3 power.
Disadvantages:
• The scope could use a better system for adjusting elevation and windage for long range work and could use a better reticle for detailed shots. However, these scopes can be sent back to the factory to have other reticles installed.
Leupold 1.5-5 VX-lll
This scope is relatively inexpensive and is also a good one for your big game hunting rifle. I have used this scope on a tactical rifle course and found it to be very good. Linda still has one on her hunting rifle and has shot game at 10 meters and also shot the rifle effectively in an Operational Sniper course of fire back to 600 meters.
Advantages:
 
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• These sights can be sent back to the factory to have target dials installed and then can be used very effectively in the service rifle competitions. They adjust for elevation and windage and come back to zero.
• This sight is lightweight and compact;
• It has an excellent fields of view, especially on 1.5 power;
• It has internal zeroing adjustments;
• It has variable power from 1.5 to 5. This variation of power is internal and can be accomplished with a quick turn of a ring on the ocular lens housing;
• The reticle is not battery dependent but does use a battery to illuminate for low light shooting. (Models are available with and without illuminated reticles);
• There is still a reticle even if the battery goes dead;
• Our experience with this scope is that it has always held its zero. Its adjustments are internal and are very reliable. These scopes zero quickly on the first zeroing session and require no further adjustments;
• The reticle is effective at close and long range;
• The scope can be attached to the rifle in the most secure manner;
• The eye relief is sufficient to be used with a helmet;
• Zero adjustment increments are in ½ or ¼ MOA;
• The scope is robust and maintains its zero; and
• This scope maintained its zero when adjusted from 1.5 power to 5 power.
Disadvantages:
• View around the sight while in the aim is somewhat hampered by the target elevation and windage dials;
Leupold 1.5-5 Mark 4
We have no experience with this scope but understand an OSA member will be showing up with one, at which time we can assess its effectiveness. It should be every bit as good as the VX-lll and even better because it has easily adjustable dials for elevation and windage. We expect it will have all of the same ruggedness and reliability of the Leupold scopes.
Leupold Prismatic
We have had no experience with this sight. However, we do know of an agency that is doing trials with it and so far have very favorable results.
Advantages:
• This sight is small and robust;
• It is easy to see around;
• It has a lighted reticle but the reticle is not dependent on batteries; and
• It has an excellent field of view.
Disadvantage:
• It has no magnification and therefore has limited long range capabilities. It doesn’t have the best of both worlds.

Nightforce 1-4 and 2.5-10
I have had no experience with the Nightforce 1-4 but do own a 2.5-10. I am using it on my service rifle and on a rifle specifically built for long-range game. It is working very well in these roles.
Advantages:
• This sight is lightweight and compact with a 30 mm body;
• The 1-4 power model has an excellent field of view, on 1 power;
• It has internal zeroing adjustments;
• View around the sight while in the aim is excellent;
• It has variable power. This variation of power is internal and can be accomplished with a quick turn of a ring on the ocular lens housing;
• The reticle is not battery dependent but does use a battery to illuminate for low light shooting;
• There is still a reticle even if the battery goes dead;
• Our experience with this scope is that it has always held its zero. Its adjustments are internal and are very reliable. These scopes zero quickly on the first zeroing session and require no further adjustments;
• Although the reticle is not ideal, I have used it effectively at close and long range;
• The scope can be attached to the rifle in the most secure manner;
• The eye relief is sufficient to be used with a helmet;
• Zero adjustment increments are in 1/4 MOA;
• The elevation and windage adjustments work well. I have used this scope out to 700 meters. It returned to exact zero;
• The scope is robust and maintains its zero; and
• This scope maintained its zero when adjusted from low to high power.
Disadvantages:
• The 2.5-10 would not be a good tactical scope because its low end power is not low enough and the high end is too high.
King Optic 1-4
This scope has so far performed well. We have used it on a tactical course but have yet to use it in competition and back to long range.
On the tactical rifle course the student was having problems with his EO-Tech sight. He was experiencing large groups and a shifting zero. We replaced his sight with this King Optic and immediately saw his problems vanish. The scope zeroed quickly, the groups were very much smaller and it held its zero for the remainder of the course. The scope appears to be very rugged and robust.
It has the disadvantage if being heavy and not as compact. The elevation and windage drums have looseness or play in them when adjusting. Although this is disconcerting, the scope still

seems to hold its zero and adjusts as expected. The scales on the elevation and windage drum are a bit confusing. They are set up as if the adjustments are in mils but state that each click is ¼ MOA. When, in fact, the adjustments are slightly greater than ½ MOA. The numbers on the scale are very small and difficult to see. Although the scope seems to be working relatively well, I found myself constantly saying, “It’s not a Leupold”.
Schmidt Bender 1.1-4
We have had no experience with this scope. However, we did have the opportunity to talk with soldiers from Ireland who were competing at Bisley. They were using the Elcan and did not like it and quickly turned the conversation around to the Schmidt Bender 1.1 – 4 that they did like and were going to recommend.
Our Top Three Choices
So if we were going on operations tomorrow what sight would we want on our rifle?
First, the two main characteristics that we want are;
• Maintain a zero; and
• Have the best of both worlds – good at close and long ranges.
So based on just the scopes that we have discussed, and it is difficult to choose because there are many scopes out there that meet these requirements, but our pick would be:
• Night Force 1-4, because it holds a zero but I would rather it came with a dual-X reticle;
• Leupold CQT, because it holds a zero but I would rather mine had a dual-X reticle and it had better elevation adjustment; and
• Leupold 1.5-5, because it holds a zero but I wish it had better adjustments for elevation and windage.
Conclusion
We feel that a tactical scope should not be limited to just good close range characteristics. It should have the capability to be effective throughout the complete range of expected engagements. And it must maintain a zero throughout.
We would also point out that, although we are most familiar with the scopes mentioned, there are other tactical sights with similar characteristics. Beauty is as beauty does – we have loyalty only to those sights that give us what we want and need. We are surprised how the manufacturers often don’t get it right.
There are many tests that you can put a scope through but the main one is to shoot a 10 shot zero confirmation group at 100 meters every day and follow the results.
Finally, I want to extend my appreciation to everyone who provided us with equipment for testing, information and data and giving us access to their experiences.
 
is there more to the article that this? Any reviews?

arghg, seems I started to read when you were on post 1.

Odd that he has a favourable review on the Leupold CQT, I have read nothign but #### reviews on this, washing out in different lights etc.
 
Re -the Leupold. Target turrets can be retrofitted. "Quiet" here on CGN uses one very effectively.
 
Interesting read, but he mentioned the illumination on the Leupold for use in low light shooting, and made me think he didn't use it for daytime shooting. From the mil background I wonder if he was accustomed to sights like the Elcan which don't have daytime illumination and didn't think to use it as such? If he never used the illumination to shoot during the daytime and use it like a red dot at 1x he wouldn't have been able to determine whether or not it washes out, or maybe even care.
 
The Mark 4 1.5-5 is a very nice scope and well worth the money, but I still think the Nightforce 2.5x10 offers up more advantages and is the best bang for the buck.

I wouldn't run a CQT if it was given to me....
 
I am considering buying a Nightforce 2.5x10 for my KAC SR15. I hope it would suited for the type of shooting I do which is mostly range shooting 50-300m but occasional service rifle type shooting. If I buy it I need to find some sort of good mounting system whether it be rings or a ADM or Larue mount.
 
I am considering buying a Nightforce 2.5x10 for my KAC SR15. I hope it would suited for the type of shooting I do which is mostly range shooting 50-300m but occasional service rifle type shooting. If I buy it I need to find some sort of good mounting system whether it be rings or a ADM or Larue mount.

Get the 2.5-10x24 model now if you want it because it's being discontinued. The x32 model is nice, but it seems a bit large for an AR-15.
 
<sigh> I keep forgetting what a limited range of optics we are allowed to shoot in New Zealand Service rifle competitions, you guys have it so good.
 
I had the article forwarded to me a couple of weeks ago, suprising about the CQT, didn't think much of it till now. I had the S&B short dot and found the crosshairs a little thick for target shooting, especially at 500m, it just covered way to much of the target, for my old eyes anyway, great battle optics though. Using a 3-9x leupold MRT this year, crosshairs are definetly finer on them. My other choice would be the nightforce 1-4, which I think would be a good all around on a shorty 16" AR. Need to find a place or someone that has one so I can check it out closer.
 
I've met Kieth as well, watched him put a pist off CF dude back in his place on the firing line, then came over to me to talk to me about my trigger, that was failing the test, he got me sorted out with a spare that they had. :) definetly a good guy, I like him.
 
I think the review is very good but a bit hard on the Spector DR. I have a DR and I heard the stories about the lack of zero hold between 1 and 4 power. My DR is out exactly .5 of an inch right @ 25 meters when I change from 4 power to 1 power.

It's sighted in on 4 power. When I switch to 1 power had shoot fast head shots at 25 meters i don't notice any difference. All the bullets hit the head or B Zone. In my opinion the "Change in Zero" is way over stated.

The DR is lower, lighter and a bit smaller than the original Elcan C79. The glass is the best I've ever looked through. When open gating the sight it's in .5 MOA adjustments.

My ARMS leavers on the DR are nice and tight. I think where the problem lies is when you take the sight on a off a hundred times. When I mount up a sight or scope I lock it on and leave it on the rifle. Some guys I know take their sights on and off for no good reason at all over and over and over. Some guys insist on storing their gun in a fancy pelican case with a cut out for the sighting systems that are all seperate from the rifle...why? I don't get it. I agree there are better mounting systems than ARMS mounts but again I think it's over stated.

The lever on the latest generation of DR is well designed. I don't see much debris effecting it at all. As for the rest of the mechanism, their is a BDC in the reticle of the scope and that is how it's meant to be used, like an ACOG. So if it's used that way then there are no issues with sand or debris getting into the mechanism.

I also have a Night Force 2.5 x 10. Great sight but I'm starting to think that the DR is better with a more advanced, numerous capabilities. I've had Leup. Mark 4's that are also outstanding but I'm convinced Night Force is a bit better.

Rich
 
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