Service Rifle Optics review
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Gunnerlove
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Cool only 2" at 100m, and what is the MRSP?
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I haven't tried the Trijicon but I've heard it's quite good.
The DR is a 4x scope with a 1x capability for shooting close in, 50 meters or less. If I'm taking a shot outside of 50 meters, and I have a chance, I'll have it on 4 X. Entering a residence or building then set down to 1x. Much of the CQB work is done at much, much, less than 25 meters. Having the ability to light up the dot or the recticle is also a great feature and like was said before, if the battery dies (DR is 600 hour life I think) then you don't loose the sight altogether.
Rich
The DR is a 4x scope with a 1x capability for shooting close in, 50 meters or less. If I'm taking a shot outside of 50 meters, and I have a chance, I'll have it on 4 X. Entering a residence or building then set down to 1x. Much of the CQB work is done at much, much, less than 25 meters. Having the ability to light up the dot or the recticle is also a great feature and like was said before, if the battery dies (DR is 600 hour life I think) then you don't loose the sight altogether.
Rich
I have the Nightforce 1-4x24 with the FC2 reticle (2moa dot) on a 16" AR. I also recently acquired a Leupold Mark 4 3.5-10x40mm LR/T M1 with the TMR reticle for a bolt action rifle.
Question:
For Service Rifle would you recommend swapping the Leupold onto the AR?
I assume my score would be higher using the Leupold on the AR since shots are mainly from 200 to 500m, but it's not a gun/optic combination I will normally use.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Question:
For Service Rifle would you recommend swapping the Leupold onto the AR?
I assume my score would be higher using the Leupold on the AR since shots are mainly from 200 to 500m, but it's not a gun/optic combination I will normally use.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
1-4 FC2 should be perfect considering about 2/3 of the course should be 200m or under.
Shelldrake
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I'm gonna give the Specter DR a shot this year. I agree with Rich LPS about his view of the the change in zero issue. With it sighted in at 4x, and only switch to 1x for 100m and less, any change in zero would be a non-issue (as long as when I switch back to 4x it returns to that zero). That's the logic,, I will see if its that way in practice. Confidence is high.
Some other things I like about it,,
- it sits lower than the C79, less neck strain, and hopefully less banging into the helmet.
- it looks mean, all business. The message it sends is "don't f**k with me".
Some other things I like about it,,
- it sits lower than the C79, less neck strain, and hopefully less banging into the helmet.
- it looks mean, all business. The message it sends is "don't f**k with me".
NavyShooter
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My DR has a bench-tested POA shift of about .25 MOA between 4X and 1X. (Factory optical bench test equipment, I was present for the testing and was impressed with the result.)
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The DR is normally at 4X - the little lense thing corrects it to 1X when the lever is flipped. In case the lever mechanism fails, the 4X zero won't be affected.
So - the 4X zero is "truer". Within 100m, even 0.5MOA shift is not a big deal. I will worry if it is over 1MOA. If there is time to shoot at over 100, there is time to flip it over to 4X.
So - the 4X zero is "truer". Within 100m, even 0.5MOA shift is not a big deal. I will worry if it is over 1MOA. If there is time to shoot at over 100, there is time to flip it over to 4X.
In the BC lower mainland championships the matches are 3 at 200m, 3 at 300m, 3 at 500m (2/3 at 300m or more, 1/3 at 200m, none shorter)
http://www.bctacticalrifle.com/service_files/2010-lm-regservrentry.pdf
The BC provincial championships:
1 match shooting from 100 m
1 match shooting from 500m, 400m, 300m, 200m, and 100m
4 matches shooting from 200m
3 matches shooting from 300m
3 matches shooting from 500m
( 1/2 of matches with all shots at 300 m or more )
http://www.bctacticalrifle.com/service_files/2010_bc_service_rifle_entry_form.pdf
I still think I'll use the 1-4x instead of the 3.5-10x for the lower mainland match which comes first. There are obviously a lot of excellent shooters who get it done at around 4x. Maybe when my shooting skills improve (shooting 500?) the incremental advantage of a higher power scope will be worth pursuing.
Thanks all for the advice.
http://www.bctacticalrifle.com/service_files/2010-lm-regservrentry.pdf
The BC provincial championships:
1 match shooting from 100 m
1 match shooting from 500m, 400m, 300m, 200m, and 100m
4 matches shooting from 200m
3 matches shooting from 300m
3 matches shooting from 500m
( 1/2 of matches with all shots at 300 m or more )
http://www.bctacticalrifle.com/service_files/2010_bc_service_rifle_entry_form.pdf
I still think I'll use the 1-4x instead of the 3.5-10x for the lower mainland match which comes first. There are obviously a lot of excellent shooters who get it done at around 4x. Maybe when my shooting skills improve (shooting 500?) the incremental advantage of a higher power scope will be worth pursuing.
Thanks all for the advice.
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Kev, could you explain the particular reasons for that? I don't know much about the CQT, but from what I've read it seems to have poor illumination in the daylight, are there other issues that would prohibit it from being an able duty optic? I have no interest in it myself, but I'm curious as to what it's failings are, as I'm sure others are too.
The CQT was formed off a CAG request for a variable sight. Went Leupold ignored all the end user feedback, the end users went to S&B and they did the Short Dot.
The sight is heavy - clunky and annoying.
I can live with some weight if its spent on a rugged tube and good glass, - the CQ/T has neither.
The reticle is painful to me, and the battery life is minimal.
The adjustments are terrible, and the scope has no BDC or ranging reticle.
I knwo a lot of gamers like the sight, however due to the illumination, the glass, and the fact the bulk of the sight impeeds your FoV its a terrible duty sight.
I find it like looking thru a McDonalds Straw as it occludes abotu as much.
However I do like a lot of Leupold's new Tactical Division stuff.
The sight is heavy - clunky and annoying.
I can live with some weight if its spent on a rugged tube and good glass, - the CQ/T has neither.
The reticle is painful to me, and the battery life is minimal.
The adjustments are terrible, and the scope has no BDC or ranging reticle.
I knwo a lot of gamers like the sight, however due to the illumination, the glass, and the fact the bulk of the sight impeeds your FoV its a terrible duty sight.
I find it like looking thru a McDonalds Straw as it occludes abotu as much.
However I do like a lot of Leupold's new Tactical Division stuff.
By the tactical division stuff I assume you mean the 1.1-8x you've been praising? Certainly looks and sounds good though I'll likely never see one. Or are they working on a new 1-4x sight?
I just managed to catch a break here at work and checked out some CQT threads on LF, same stuff as you posted. The lack of a BDC, to me at least, seems to rule it out as a duty optic. Same reason why I have no interest in the accupoint, unless they come out with a new reticle that includes one. Also why I'm hesitant to go for an aimpoint and magnifier, I feel like I need to have some kind marking system to judge holdovers for shooting at distance, with the Elcan I at least have that dial (before you say anyhting about Elcans, I agree, they are terrible, but I'm stuck with one - at least while in Canada).
I'm interested in getting my hands on a variable sight for use on a personal carbine and use overseas if/when I get the chance to go, assuming CoC approves it. I know the Nightforce reticle apparently washes out in daylight or with white light. With the exception of the short dot, do you know of a more affordable 1-4x sight available or coming soon that has visible daylight illumination, a BDC, a decent field of view, isn't overly massive (secondary concern, I can hit the gym if needed)? Or am I simply stuck with ponying up the cash for quality and getting a short dot?
I'm personaly holding out hope on an accupoint with an ACOG reticle.
I just managed to catch a break here at work and checked out some CQT threads on LF, same stuff as you posted. The lack of a BDC, to me at least, seems to rule it out as a duty optic. Same reason why I have no interest in the accupoint, unless they come out with a new reticle that includes one. Also why I'm hesitant to go for an aimpoint and magnifier, I feel like I need to have some kind marking system to judge holdovers for shooting at distance, with the Elcan I at least have that dial (before you say anyhting about Elcans, I agree, they are terrible, but I'm stuck with one - at least while in Canada).
I'm interested in getting my hands on a variable sight for use on a personal carbine and use overseas if/when I get the chance to go, assuming CoC approves it. I know the Nightforce reticle apparently washes out in daylight or with white light. With the exception of the short dot, do you know of a more affordable 1-4x sight available or coming soon that has visible daylight illumination, a BDC, a decent field of view, isn't overly massive (secondary concern, I can hit the gym if needed)? Or am I simply stuck with ponying up the cash for quality and getting a short dot?
I'm personaly holding out hope on an accupoint with an ACOG reticle.
