Setting up for EXTREME Range Shooting

Mystic Precision

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Well, after having so much fun last weekend pounding rocks at 1 mile, the brain wonders "What would it take to go further....much further????"

A bit of time with the JBM software and a whole lot of extrapolation, this is what I found/guessed.

Using either the 220gr MK (3050fps) out of my 300RUM or a 180gr Berger (2850fps est) from my 7 Mystic, the amount of UP is surprisingly very very close. For extreme distance, BC trumps velocity. Also, EVERYTHING goes subsonic. Will be critical to test how well these bullets handle going subsonic.

With a 1000m zero (30.5" high at 100yds), getting to 2000yds will need an additonal 61.5min, 2500yds - 119.5min, 3000yds - 197.5min, and the ultimate goal of 3500yds better know as 2 MILES - 297min of UP.

Based on shooting at 1 mile, I think these numbers may be conservative but you can adjust once you start shooting:evil:

So to get from 100yds to 2 MILES, you just need to crank up 327.5 min or hit 27.29 FEET high at 100yds :rockOn: :rockOn: :rockOn:

From 3000yds to 3500yds, you need to crank about 19 min for every 100yds you advance. Time of flight is likely in the 6sec range to get to 2 miles. Yeah, you spot your own shots. Wind drift in a wee bit of wind is well, more then a few inches:p ;)

WOW, how's that for a challenge?!!!

It has certainly been reached before so the concept is not totally batty. Well, 98% nuts, 2% something.

How do you do this?

Surprisingly, the biggest hurdle is moving that scope and seeing where the hell that bullet is landing. An adjustable check rest is also kind of necessary.

I have been mucking with some simple drawing for a moveable scope base. Not particularly hard to make if I can access some machinery. You also don't need to tilt crazy amount to gain the elevation. If I get the centers right, about 1 thou for every min I need so a 1/2" tilt should be enough.

The bullet landing part. Not sure. The area I use is quite sandy and does throw off nice puffs of dust so walking out the shots is more then likely. Keeping track of wind drift will be very interesting indeed.

In a 10MPH wind, the estimate is 14 min or 24 1/2 FEETat 2000yds. I can only imagine that at 3500yds, that number is tripled, maybe quadrupled. Calm day shooting me thinks.

No sub MOA is pretty much out of the question. I am hoping to hit the mountain.

So let's see who is up to this challenge. You don't need a boomer but a heavy bullet does help. I will be testing the 180gr Berger shortly to see how it shoots in my rifles. I already know how the 300RUM shoots.

Then there is the R&D to make up some form of base before shooting.

Fun, fun, fun...

Jerry
 
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I'm in,,,, what ever capacity I can serve, spotter etc. Just let me know when, I know the where.:rockOn: How devilishly cool will that be!

I'm starting to think its time I "invest" in something with more horse power than even the 300WM, which isn't that much horse power.:(

That 338 Lapua Ackley Improved really got my attention.:popCorn:

Also, your idea of the 408 case with the 338 round sounds interesting. Time to start researching!!:evil:
 
Jerry, just buy a 50.

Kevans 50 was hitting at 1 mile without a tapered scope base.

Add a 20 moa base youll hit 2 miles easy.:D
 
Just out of curiosity, at what range do we stop being riflemen and start being Artillery men?? I have heard there is a group in the states somewhere that lobs rifle rounds so far they set up targets laid out flat on the ground. I havent found thier website yet, but I know its there somewhere.
 
For extreme range shooting, initial velocity really doesn't matter. Anything will go subsonic, even the mighty BMG just plug in the numbers and see.

The 300WM was a popular case for the 1 mile and longer varminters so I wouldn't really worry about going bigger. Just focus on the bullet used. The 208gr Amax, 220gr and 240gr MK, and any 210gr VLD would be good candidates for the 300WM. The big issue is what will happen when the bullet goes subsonic. If the bullet maintains stability, you can go a very long ways and retain a surprising amount of accuracy.

There is a US club that shoots this far with the 308!!!!!!

When I first started LR shooting, I had a 300Wby pushing 155gr Amax around 3250fps. Not an ideal bullet but it did make it to 1800m/1950yds ACCURATELY.

Bigger/faster is really important if the target is 'close' enough that staying supersonic is possible. The 338AI will go subsonic around 2100/2300yds (looking at Glocks drop chart) which is still 1000yds away from the goal. The BMG will likely go at 2500 to 2700yds. Again, a long ways from the end of the trip.

20MOA more will not be anywhere near enough for the BMG to make the trip. It will need another 43 mins (750gr Amax launched at 2750fps) to go from 1100yds to 2000yds. Which indicates that it will need 120 to 140min to go from 1100yds to 2 miles (or 150 to 170min from 100yds to 2miles-LRC can you get enough elevation?).

The first 1000yds is easy. The next 2.5 are the tough ones.

Well riflery/artillery really is up to ones opinion. This is aimed fire from the shoulder so I still consider it riflery. However, the trajectory will have a very artillery look to it. Remember when 1000yds was a long ways and the mile ridiculously far????

Who knows if we will be able to see any impacts beyond 2000yds. Without that visual cue, going further is futile.

First the short range testing of my 7 Mystic. Then to the mile if it shoots. Then further out.

Will have to look at making that base as I already have $20 towards the cost of manf....

Jerry
 
mysticplayer said:
20MOA more will not be anywhere near enough for the BMG to make the trip. It will need another 43 mins (750gr Amax launched at 2750fps) to go from 1100yds to 2000yds. Which indicates that it will need 120 to 140min to go from 1100yds to 2 miles (or 150 to 170min from 100yds to 2miles-LRC can you get enough elevation?).


Jerry

I still had 5 MOA left on the dial when we were going for the 2100mark. My limitation there was the ammo It had lost its accuracy and was doing its own thing out there, but making hits in the ballpark. I believe (not having reached that far yet) with using all my comeups plus holdover using the retical in my scope I can make 2miles as rigged with the propper precision ammo such as the 750grn Amax or others of that type, but more minutes in the base would definatly be in order for longer range efficiency. I found a ballistics table on the net that states if a .50bmg is held between 36-38 degrees it will land bullets at 8000yrds and take the better part of 45 seconds to make the trip.:eek: Things that make you go HMMMMMMMMM eh:canadaFlag:
 
Long Range Canuck said:
I still had 5 MOA left on the dial when we were going for the 2100mark. My limitation there was the ammo It had lost its accuracy and was doing its own thing out there, but making hits in the ballpark. I believe (not having reached that far yet) with using all my comeups plus holdover using the retical in my scope I can make 2miles as rigged with the propper precision ammo such as the 750grn Amax or others of that type, but more minutes in the base would definatly be in order for longer range efficiency. I found a ballistics table on the net that states if a .50bmg is held between 36-38 degrees it will land bullets at 8000yrds and take the better part of 45 seconds to make the trip.:eek: Things that make you go HMMMMMMMMM eh:canadaFlag:

I'll have to get you and Jim out when the river lets go to bust some ice at long range.....
Cat
 
Long Range Canuck said:
Well that or we could push out that extra 2KM's at the gun club.;) ;) :D :sniper:
JEEPERS, we've just got the lane cut and it needs cleaning up yet and you wanna go another 2K??!!:eek:

it's a lot easier to just back thee boat up and smash some ice, that is , until it is all melted!!
Candled ice really explodes when hit with a bullet!:D
Cat
 
Long Range Canuck said:
I still had 5 MOA left on the dial when we were going for the 2100mark. My limitation there was the ammo It had lost its accuracy and was doing its own thing out there, but making hits in the ballpark. I believe (not having reached that far yet) with using all my comeups plus holdover using the retical in my scope I can make 2miles as rigged with the propper precision ammo such as the 750grn Amax or others of that type, but more minutes in the base would definatly be in order for longer range efficiency. I found a ballistics table on the net that states if a .50bmg is held between 36-38 degrees it will land bullets at 8000yrds and take the better part of 45 seconds to make the trip.:eek: Things that make you go HMMMMMMMMM eh:canadaFlag:

How much elevation is in that reticle? At 2100yds, you still have 1400yds to make the 2 mile mark and will need around 80 to 100min of up. Would be great if you had that now. That is alot but certainly way easier to achieve then twice that which I need.

The BMG is by far the easiest to make the journey and the easiest to spot the impacts. Will love to hear how the AMax load development goes.

Big impact splash would make spotting a whole lot easier. Might be the time to get out there.

Jerry
 
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Hummm, I wonder if I get some fins on the 75 grain bullets... Maybe they'll fly that far, after all Mystic say everything goes subsonic... I guess if I aim at the moon the .223 should make the trip!

Troutseeker
 
I managed to get a few of my AMax loads to chamber and fire in Bertha...they were nowhere near maximum with US869 and were by far more accurate than the hardball loads I'd made with H50BMG.
Unfortunately at $90.00 per 20 bullets the 750 AMax becomes a little pricey for frequent load testing and around Abbotsford all rifle ranges are restricted to nothing bigger than 338.
At the longer ranges we shot Saturday the AMax loads were right on target.
 
Doesn't Wendy and Sarah say that the fearsome dreaded 50BMG allow you to shoot someone at 4 miles?
It must be true, they get on TV so much they must be "experts".
 
mysticplayer said:
How much elevation is in that reticle? At 2100yds, you still have 1400yds to make the 2 mile mark and will need around 80 to 100min of up. Would be great if you had that now. That is alot but certainly way easier to achieve then twice that which I need.

Jerry

Definately not enough elevation in MOA in that retical to reach out that far. I was thinking a magnification reduction go generate a larger field of view and use the rectical for hold over corrections. I had another option cross my mind last night that might work also. I have a rail block for My AR-15 that raises the scope about 1" that I can mount under my scope and to the existing rail on the BMG. Since all is adjustable on my .50 I may be able to get the elevation I need to reach out. If not just get a rail down the road. Im going to play with that Idea a bit.
 
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