Sheep Hunting Changes in Alberta

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Sounds like there are 3 proposals for sheep hunting reg changes in 2013:

(South = South of the Bow, Central = Bow to Brazeau, North = North of Brazeau)

1. Put entire province on a draw. Doing the math with all the info available, this would allow approx 1150 permits. We now sell about 2200 sheep licenses per year, so it works out to an average of hunting every second year, although obviously some areas would be longer and some less depending on accessability and populations. This would allow management WMU by WMU

2. The north would stay as a general tag with 4/5 curl restrictions, the central would go on a draw with 4/5 curl restrictions (this area would allow about 300 permits). The south would stay as a general license but with full curl restrictions.

3. The entire province would stay as a general lisense but north would be 4/5 curl and both central and south would be full curl.

Other options available:
Wait times after harvesting a sheep:
1 yr after first sheep
3 yrs after 2nd sheep
5 yrs after 3rd sheep
7 yrs after 4th sheep

or

Wait time depending on age of sheep:
>10 yrs 1 yr wait
8 - 10 yrs 3 yr wait
6 - 8 yrs 5 yr wait
<6 yrs 7 yr wait

- Increasing sheep license fees ( to reduce number of hunters)

- Designated registration offices to keep measuring fair (this could increase travel of successful harvesters)


From what I understand these are what SRD brought to the AGMAG.


Here's a few questions that popped into my head after reading the above and I'll be posing these to the powers that be. Hopefully everyone else will ask their own questions as well. There may well be some logical explainations.

I'd suggest sending your questions to:

Jim Allen james.allen@gov.ab.ca

Honourable Frank Oberle peace.river@assembly.ab.ca

Rob Corrigan Rob.Corrigan@gov.ab.ca

Ron Bjorge ron.bjorge@gov.ab.ca

Anyhow, here are my thoughts.


1) What is the actual problem they are trying to address is? Obviously, or at least I think, they want to reduce ram harvest in the south and central portions of the province. Why? Are there not enough rams? Is there a problem with age structure? Is it to create a better quality trophy hunt?

2) Have they actually looked at the percentage of mature rams in areas like K-Country that reach or at least have the potential to reach the legal definition of full curl? Not doubt some will but I see this significantly reducing harvest compared to a draw unless they are only planning on issuing a couple tags per WMU.

3) I see they anticipate 2200 draw applicants but we already have 11,829 applicants for the five sheep draws we currently have and we've seen the increase in applicants that putting any species on draw creates. Am I missing something here? The 2200 number does not also take into account hunters that were ineligible to purchase a sheep licence in 2011 due to being successful in 2010. Realistically, it would seem to me that we'd end up with 15,000-20,000 applicants, increasing wait times to 15-20 years. Something just doesn't add up or perhaps they plan on handling this in another way which leads me to the next question.

4) Will these new WMUs be covered under a new draw code or amagamated with the current sheep draw codes as discussed last year?

5) If amalgamated, what will happen to current priority?

6) It looks as though resident opportunity will be cut in a minimum of half if a draw goes ahead. Will outfitters see a similar decrease in tags?

7) I see one of the options was to increase licence fees to basically price sheep out of the reach of many Alberta hunters. Is this for real? (According to SRD this idea has been dropped)8) Are the sheep population results are going to be released as promised by SRD?

9) What is the rationale behind further punishing sheep hunters for being successful.

10) Are other methods of sheep management being considered? While hunter management is a simple task, are issues like habitat, industrial use and predation also being looked at potential solutions to whatever the problem is?
 
I'm thinking the only problem is a small number of whiner's who have been #####ing for years about possibly not being able to hunt a certain spot more than once or twice in their life.

Of course these same people could have been hunting sheep all over the province every single year on a general tag as well as ewe every 3-5 years, but of course then they couldn't drive to where the sheep are. :rolleyes:

This is the same small group that's responsible for a lot of misdirection IMO. IMO trophy bow hunters are not a friend to hunting in Alberta.

I also really question the numbers in relation to how many people Actually hunt. How many draw opportunities are wasted because the drawn applicant either doesn't hunt, or worse yet, doesn't even bother to buy the tag? Also in the number is a large number who are 999'ing, "just in case" they decide to ..........someday, but never will. How you account for the last people I don't know.

Bison is no different. You can hunt them every single year, but of course the #####ing is done over the draw area where you can drive up to them. Thus the real reason for the #####ing. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Time to stop treating a small group like pampered babies. You want to hunt sheep or bison where you can drive up to them? Guess what, so does everyone else, so wait your turn and shut up.

Meanwhile, 2 month bow general tag seasons are an insult. Take a couple weeks out for a flintlock or primitive bow season (that doesn't mean compound, either) You'd take a lot of pressure off the rifle season.

Then make a shorter season for high tech bows: compound and cross and percussion muzzleloaders/shotguns, they have about the same range. Inline m/l are to rifles what compounds are to bows. Neither are a primitive weapon, they're both hybrids and neither belongs in a primitive weapon season.

Make people choose in their draw choice. You can draw a tag for one species for one type of weapon.........pick one.
Pressure problems solved.
You could then, say apply for different tags with different weapons to gain opportunity in different seasons, so the whiny bunch could still potentially hunt from august to january. (remember that episode of corner gas where no one wanted to beat Hank at golf just so they wouldn't have to listen to his whine?)

'Course a small number are going to have to learn to share. (insert icon of kicking a spoiled brat in the a$$) With the population growing and the number of hunters about to explode with the death of the lgr, this needs to be done now.
Burying your head in the sand won't make the numbers stop climbing, and continually screwing everything up to cater to a very small group of trophy hunters is an insult to all hunters in the province.
 
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I'm thinking the only problem is a small number of whiner's who have been #####ing for years about possibly not being able to hunt a certain spot more than once or twice in their life.

Of course these same people could have been hunting sheep all over the province every single year on a general tag as well as ewe every 3-5 years, but of course then they couldn't drive to where the sheep are. :rolleyes:

This is the same small group that's responsible for a lot of misdirection IMO. IMO trophy bow hunters are not a friend to hunting in Alberta.

I also really question the numbers in relation to how many people Actually hunt. How many draw opportunities are wasted because the drawn applicant either doesn't hunt, or worse yet, doesn't even bother to buy the tag? Also in the number is a large number who are 999'ing, "just in case" they decide to ..........someday, but never will. How you account for the last people I don't know.

Bison is no different. You can hunt them every single year, but of course the #####ing is done over the draw area where you can drive up to them. Thus the real reason for the #####ing. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Time to stop treating a small group like pampered babies. You want to hunt sheep or bison where you can drive up to them? Guess what, so does everyone else, so wait your turn and shut up.

Meanwhile, 2 month bow general tag seasons are an insult. Take a couple weeks out for a flintlock or primitive bow season (that doesn't mean compound, either) You'd take a lot of pressure off the rifle season.

Then make a shorter season for high tech bows: compound and cross and percussion muzzleloaders/shotguns, they have about the same range. Inline m/l are to rifles what compounds are to bows. Neither are a primitive weapon, they're both hybrids and neither belongs in a primitive weapon season.

Make people choose in their draw choice. You can draw a tag for one species for one type of weapon.........pick one.
Pressure problems solved.
You could then, say apply for different tags with different weapons to gain opportunity in different seasons, so the whiny bunch could still potentially hunt from august to january. (remember that episode of corner gas where no one wanted to beat Hank at golf just so they wouldn't have to listen to his whine?)

'Course a small number are going to have to learn to share. (insert icon of kicking a spoiled brat in the a$$) With the population growing and the number of hunters about to explode with the death of the lgr, this needs to be done now.
Burying your head in the sand won't make the numbers stop climbing, and continually screwing everything up to cater to a very small group of trophy hunters is an insult to all hunters in the province.

Wow thats out of left field. How do you drag bowhunters into this??? Talk about whining. I like sheephunters post, but you completely lose your cred by attacking another group of hunters.
 
"Meanwhile, 2 month bow general tag seasons are an insult. Take a couple weeks out for a flintlock or primitive bow season (that doesn't mean compound, either) You'd take a lot of pressure off the rifle season."

Yeah and a 3 month rifle season is an insult too! Bowhunters are blocked out of most of the foothills, boreal, and mountain zones (ie. most of the crown land) since the rifle opens anywhere from Sept 1 to Sept 17th and remains open until November 30th. You could still bowhunt, but the quality isn't there. The remaining smidgens where you can have a wilderness bowhunting experience for moose or elk are either overcrowded or over-"oiled". The Canmore corridor is about finished. I would say opportunity is about even.

The idea of creating a season for every weapon class is a real pandora's box as well.

I agree with you that a special archery draw for coveted tags (ie. Moose or Mule Deer) is the best route to go. No more multi-season hunts. You want to bowhunt, you bowhunt. Rifle opens you are done.

I am not a 'trophy hunting bowhunter' BTW:)

Sorry for derailing your thread Sheephunter. I will print off the proposals and bring them up at our local F&G meeting to see what everyone thinks. Is there a link for the 'official' document?
 
"Sorry for derailing your thread Sheephunter. I will print off the proposals and bring them up at our local F&G meeting to see what everyone thinks. Is there a link for the 'official' document?


Doug Butler should be able to provide you with the information.
 
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