Shiloh Sharpes Quigley

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Ive decided that I need a shiloh sharpes quigley model.
I have 2 questions:
a) Can I have the options explained for the gun. Im not sur what an escutcheon or buckhorn site is etc.
b) Can authentic cartridges be purchased or does one have to reload?
 
You will have to reload for most of the traditional cartridges with the exception of the 45/70 which is probably the best of the bunch for a beginner to start with as brass is easliy available and cheap compared to the others and store bought ammo is easily had though a tad expensive for a lot of shooting.
One thing about Shilohs is that unless you purchase a used one or one from Bill Goodman or by chance Shiloh has what you want in stock in the there is a 2 year waiting period to have your Shiloh made.
Also if you go to the Shiloh web site and look under accessories then go to sights you will see a pic of a buck horn sight.
 
escutcheons are plates inlet into the stock. In a muzzle loader it refers to the decorative plates that protect the stock around the barrel keys. Not quite sure what they might be on a Sharps; possibly decorative only on the forestock or surrounding the lock screws.
A buckhorn sight has sort of horn or extensions up on the sides of the rear sight and more closely resembles the horns on a pronghorn antelope for want of a better description.

cheers mooncoon
 
mackillan.....

mooncoon is right about the escutcheons-what a weird word-they are the brass fittings around the screws. And the buckhorn sight description is better than I could have done-google it-pics should be found easily.
If you are getting the 45-2 7/8, aka 45-110, you WILL have to reload! For some really great help, check out these three people.....
Conan_568 on here and Shiloh forums
rdneck on Shiloh, he is also a GOEX rep. He is THE man!
Kenny Wassenburger on Shiloh
The GOEX board is also good for help and info on the BIG Sharps Calibers.
Someday I hope to have a 45-2 7/8, 50-2.5, and my fav, a 44-2 5/8.
I can dream can't I. That only ads up to between 10 to 15000 dollars-depending on options!

Good luck mackillan!
LeRoy
P.S. this is direct from Goodman's site, and maybe just what you want. You can always get MVA sights(or whatever your preference is) later. And easier to load for than a 110.

Approx. due date 8/1/08

1) Hartford Sporter, .45-70, 34" heavy oct. barrel (pewter tip and Hartford collar standard on this model), semi-buckhorn rear sight, military butt with patchbox, semi-fancy walnut, AA finish, brass escutcheons, bone and charcoal pack harden case colors (on patchbox too!), polished barrel, polished/fire-blued screws, this is a Quigley "Buffalo Rifle" without tang and globe sights or gold initials, but dressed up about as much as possible, these come out great!...........$3533.30 (#17061)
 
A barrel sight is somewhat superfluous on any of the Sharp's long range rifles. For long range shooting you more or less require a tang sight to get sufficient elevation. You probably also want some form of front sight with replaceable inserts so you have several options of sight picture without removing the sight base or having to resight in your gun.
I also get the impression that you might be wise to roust out someone in your local fish and game club that shoots long range black powder or otherwise get some first hand experience with such shooting before coughing up the money for a Quigley. Ultimately I think you might most enjoy something in the .40 cal range because of reduced recoil. I have owned and shot the 45-120 and got rid of the gun because it was sufficiently uncomfortable to shoot.

cheers mooncoon
 
SW-as long as "The Big Island" isn't in kanada, contact me direct- I have two spare Shilohs mixed in with the Rosstuff- both in 45:70, and both as new/unfired. If you are north of the razor-wire...sorry- even photographs will require registration up there soon, sir.
 
I got my long range sights from Ron Hielman. He custom makes them, one at a time. He built me a globe front w/bubble level, that takes #17 inserts. The tang sight has an adjustable peep, and is built very solidly. I think the sights set me back around 500$. There are many makes of target/hunting sights out there, check them out if you don't get your Quigley with the sights installed. If I remember correctly, there is a company in Winnipeg that makes them.
And yes, the buckhorn sight is useless for long range.
A lot of hunters swear by them though, especially for closer range, out 150yds or so. Many use an old American penny-can't remember the years-but IIRC, they are of late 1800's manufacture. Shooters claim better sight picture/light catching.
mackillan, if you want the 'full' Quigley, and you can't find one on one of the American auction sites(guns of america/guns international), you will have a long wait on your hands. Shilohs backlog is close to two years for some models. They make the rifles in "runs", depending on bbl length, weight, options, etc..

Good luck,
LeRoy
 
Quigley Sharps

Shiloh will try and talk you out of ordering a Quigley model.

Why? It isn't an historic model and with the military crescent butt plate, recoil awareness becomes a brutal reality. Especially if you order it in the macho 45-110 or 120.

Anyone can grit their teeth for a few rounds with a hard kicker, but shooting is supposed to be fun, not a test of manhood or your pain threshold.

I do a lot of shooting with 45-70 and 50-70, usually 40 rds per session. That's pushing it for me. I leave the big boomers to others. Detached retinas and recoil headaches are not high on my list of enjoyables.

The Shiloh site has deteriorated of late, to the point where Mike Venturino rarely contributes. It has a few huge egoes and you run the risk of being talked down to by the good ol' boys who consider themselves the arbiters of all things pertaining to Sharps rifles.

Other than that, I suggest dealing directly with Shiloh. They've heard it all and can answer every question knowledgeably.
 
Sharps '63 said:
Shiloh will try and talk you out of ordering a Quigley model.

Why? It isn't an historic model and with the military crescent butt plate, recoil awareness becomes a brutal reality. Especially if you order it in the macho 45-110 or 120.

Anyone can grit their teeth for a few rounds with a hard kicker, but shooting is supposed to be fun, not a test of manhood or your pain threshold.

I do a lot of shooting with 45-70 and 50-70, usually 40 rds per session. That's pushing it for me. I leave the big boomers to others. Detached retinas and recoil headaches are not high on my list of enjoyables.

The Shiloh site has deteriorated of late, to the point where Mike Venturino rarely contributes. It has a few huge egoes and you run the risk of being talked down to by the good ol' boys who consider themselves the arbiters of all things pertaining to Sharps rifles.

Other than that, I suggest dealing directly with Shiloh. They've heard it all and can answer every question knowledgeably.
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What model would you suggest in the 45/70?
 
mackillan said:
Ive decided that I need a shiloh sharpes quigley model.
I have 2 questions:
a) Can I have the options explained for the gun. Im not sur what an escutcheon or buckhorn site is etc.
b) Can authentic cartridges be purchased or does one have to reload?
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es·cutch·eon
Pronunciation:
\is-ˈkə-chən\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English escochon, from Anglo-French escuchoun, from Vulgar Latin *scution-, scutio, from Latin scutum shield — more at esquire
Date:
15th century

1 : a defined area on which armorial bearings are displayed and which usually consists of a shield
2 : a protective or ornamental plate or flange (as around a keyhole)
3 : the part of a ship's stern on which the name is displayed

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mackillan.....
depending on what you are looking for in your Sharps. Are you looking to hunt?
The most traditional is a toss up between the Business Rifle w/it's round bbl-even though there was fewer of them made, The Sporter #3, and The Hartford Model. The Hartford is, IMHO, the most 'authentic' of the hunters. But then there is the Military Rifle and Carbine. I know they took their fair share of Buff and other game. They are also much lighter than the other rifles. MLV uses a Military Rifle w/an MVA(Montana Vintage Arms) full length(30") scope. Shiloh also has the Model '63 in THREE flavors, which can be used with loose powder, paper cartridges, or "special" brass cases.
For "non-authentic", the Montana Roughrider Rifle, and the Saddle Rifle w/it's many options, are hard to beat.
If you are into BPCRS(Black Powder Cartridge Rifle Silhouette), The Sporter #1 is the choice of most. Mine is a #1 w/a 30" Standard bbl., as I wanted to hunt with it as well. It weighs just under 11 lbs. A heavy bbl. would bring it close to, or over the weight. You have to watch what options and bbl length you choose, as it does not take many to take you over the 12.2 lb weight limit for BPCRS! The Long Rang Express is also a good choice, but the above statement applies, as the LRE has a 34" bbl. For BPCRS they recommend using the 1/2 octagon-1/2 round bbl. There are also the two styles of Creedmoor Target Rifles!! And with all of Shiloh s options, available on MOST rifles/carbines, the choises are mind boggling! Now you know why many Shiloh owners have more than one.
Besides being basically CUSTOM, the value of a Shiloh Sharps never seems to go down. In fact, since the waiting list, which for a while was 6-8 months, is now back up to 18 mos. to 2+ YEARS, the pre-owned rifle prices seemed to have gone up!! Shiloh (IIRC) builds their rifles in batches, based on bbl length/weight(you can order one with a BULL bbl in the 16 lb area), and model. Some have gotten lucky and have got in as the guys were tooling up for a different run, of which the customers choice fell into. YMMV!!
If you are not sure and have more questions, you should call Lucinda( She Who Knows All) at Big Timber. Ask her everything you want to know-write down your question before hand, so you don't forget any. Her # is 406-932-4266. Make sure to ask for Lucinda.
Hope this helps!

Sharps '63.....
Have not been on Shilohs site for quite a while. I am #735 of 3241 members.
Went on last night, checked back a couple months. I can see why MLV chooses to limit his "visits". The egos always seem to grow as the popularity/membership grows. It is too bad. Many of those 'egos' have much knowledge to share. Between champion shooters, master handloaders, and Buffalo Hunting era "historians", I will still go there for help, but am going to have to take the blowhards as they come, and avoid prodding them ;)
It is really too bad that MLV does not contribute there anymore. He is one of the best!

LeRoy...aka....archdlx
p.s. I was archdlx here a LONG time ago....there was a system crash, I never logged in soon enough and had to rejoin :( oh well, post count isn't everything, it's the content that counts, AFAIC!!
 
I would highly recommend a vernier sight with the micrometer adj, you can "fine tune" without getting out of position.
If you're going to be shooting paper targets, a hadley eyecup is amust also.Makes a big difference in your groups.
Cheers nessy.
 
LeRoy said:
mackillan.....

mooncoon is right about the escutcheons-what a weird word-they are the brass fittings around the screws. And the buckhorn sight description is better than I could have done-google it-pics should be found easily.
If you are getting the 45-2 7/8, aka 45-110, you WILL have to reload! For some really great help, check out these three people.....
Conan_568 on here and Shiloh forums
rdneck on Shiloh, he is also a GOEX rep. He is THE man!
Kenny Wassenburger on Shiloh
The GOEX board is also good for help and info on the BIG Sharps Calibers.
Someday I hope to have a 45-2 7/8, 50-2.5, and my fav, a 44-2 5/8.
I can dream can't I. That only ads up to between 10 to 15000 dollars-depending on options!

Good luck mackillan!
LeRoy
P.S. this is direct from Goodman's site, and maybe just what you want. You can always get MVA sights(or whatever your preference is) later. And easier to load for than a 110.

Approx. due date 8/1/08

1) Hartford Sporter, .45-70, 34" heavy oct. barrel (pewter tip and Hartford collar standard on this model), semi-buckhorn rear sight, military butt with patchbox, semi-fancy walnut, AA finish, brass escutcheons, bone and charcoal pack harden case colors (on patchbox too!), polished barrel, polished/fire-blued screws, this is a Quigley "Buffalo Rifle" without tang and globe sights or gold initials, but dressed up about as much as possible, these come out great!...........$3533.30 (#17061)
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I will order this from Bill Goodman
1) Hartford Sporter, .45-70, 34" heavy oct. barrel (pewter tip and Hartford collar standard on this model), semi-buckhorn rear sight, military butt with patchbox, basically a standard Quigley "Buffalo Rifle" without the tang and globe sights or gold initials................$2569.37 (#17060)

Where can ammo be ordered in canada?
 
45-70 Choices

Just for hunting, it's hard to beat the Sharps Military Rifles. I have a pair in .50, one '63 percussion, one '74 .50-70.
They carry well and have sling swivels, essential for me on a hunt. I use the 'African Safari' or European carry a lot when the rifle isn't in my hands.

The Business Rifle wears a groove in my shoulder pretty quick or stretches my arm when carried any distance at all. For a stand hunt, it would be ideal.
I'd like one in 50-70 as well.

I may use my .50 '63 carbine this fall on deer if I get a shot no further than 75 yards. It isn't a matter of hitting game, I like it to drop in it's tracks.

As for the Shiloh site, the egos I can put up with for the sake of the knowledge. It's the keyboard bullies that get my back up and the ones that have done it bigger, better, further, longer, etc. and don't mind hijacking a thread to tell you so.

Like Woodrow Call in "Lonesome Dove", I truly hate rude behaviour in a man and won't tolerate it.
 
Loads for even your 45/70 will have to be handloaded, preferrably with black powder. The factory smokeless loads will work in your sharps but are, jacketed, loads with short bullets that won't cut it at long range. Reloading is quite simple and you could probably get away with out dies and minimal expense. M.T. Chambers has about 15 diff. bullets for the 45/70 and some are period correct. BP lubes and wads also avail., pm me for any reloading info you may need.
 
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