Shipping Handguns by Mail: One More Time

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I've just made a deal with a fellow for a .22 pistol. He called the BC CFO and was told that he had to ship the gun with a trigger lock applied to it, inside a locked case.

Hmmm. I have purchased restricted guns from NS, ON, AB and BC (businesses and individuals, new and used) and none of them have arrived with a trigger lock or inside a locked case. In turn, I have sold guns to businesses and individuals without locks of any kind, well bundled and mailed by ExpressPost.

What is the final word on this? Adds potentially another $25 or more to a purchase if we follow the CFO's evident direction.
 
Only ever ordered from within Ontario (where I live) and have never received anything with a trigger lock or in a locked case.


Mahalo
 
yeah all my mail ordered either restricted or non...has never come with locks on it..or in a locked container...just in nice ol' box!! Nothing like HKs in the mail... I think the reg mentions something about shipping it in an unmarked box though...otherwise..no locks needed. I ussually buy locks at the same time and they are still in thier blister packs when the pistols and other other "sporting" goods arrive.
 
I've never received one with a trigger lock on it. The Postal system is suppose to be secure. They lock their trucks don't they? Since I've never seen a factory case that will hold a gun with a trigger lock installed, it would require a entirely new container.
 
Aaaargh....One more time....:)

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/media/news_releases/2004/firearm-amendments/default_e.asp

Since December 2004...

Quote:
In Effect Immediately
Transporting Firearms (Individuals)

* To assist individuals who do not have access to a licensed carrier, individuals may now ship restricted firearms and prohibited handguns using the most secure method offered by Canada Post that provides a signature upon delivery.
* As is currently the case, other prohibited firearms may still only be shipped by licensed carrier.

No trigger locks, do NOT indicate that there are firearms in the parcel...Identify as sporting goods or machined parts...Signature REQUIRED....
 
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Howdy,

The link below doesn't work.

Also, the quote given below doesn't negate the need for trigger locks or locked containers. It doesn't establish it either, but the CFO's statements to me do. All the quote below actually indicates is that you don't need to use a special carrier. I agree that it seems awfully weird that I'm being told this is required while most people here are indicating it isn't. I personally have no interest in making my own life more difficult, but I need some hard evidence that what the CFO's office told me is wrong before I can feel justified in mailing off the gun w/o a trigger lock or locked case.

Again, I apologize if I seem like I'm making life difficult. I just want to make sure I'm following the law completely.

Thanks,
/joeplinker/

Halger280HVMag said:
Aaaargh....One more time....:)

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/media/news.../default_e.asp

Since December 2004...

Quote:
In Effect Immediately
Transporting Firearms (Individuals)

* To assist individuals who do not have access to a licensed carrier, individuals may now ship restricted firearms and prohibited handguns using the most secure method offered by Canada Post that provides a signature upon delivery.
* As is currently the case, other prohibited firearms may still only be shipped by licensed carrier.

No trigger locks, do NOT indicate that there are firearms in the parcel...Identify as sporting goods or machined parts...Signature REQUIRED....
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You will not find the hard evidence. The transport regs state one thing, and the shipping regs state another. I have never shipped or recieved anything with a trigger lock. If it makes you more comfortable, go with the CFO and send the keys with the gun or in a seperate letter.
 
(I'm not trying to be aggressive; I'm just trying to ascertain the facts.)

Can you provide the actual text of or a link to the shipping regulations that contradict or conflict with the transporting regulations? All I've seen in the way of shipping regulations merely augment the transporting regulations. There doesn't seem to be any reason to believe that the transporting regulations aren't required, because shipping is a form of transporting. Rather, it appears that anyone who says otherwise has to make a strong case for it. What the CFO told me is merely the logical conclusion of the laws I've seen. (By logical, I'm not implying that I like these laws, but merely that the CFO's statement is consistent with the regulations.)

Thanks,
/joeplinker/

CanAm said:
You will not find the hard evidence. The transport regs state one thing, and the shipping regs state another. I have never shipped or recieved anything with a trigger lock. If it makes you more comfortable, go with the CFO and send the keys with the gun or in a seperate letter.
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I have fixed the link in my previous post.....

If the Rules do not stipulate that something is required specifically, then I fail to see the requirement. If you were to order a pistol from Marstar or Lever or wherever, you would receive it packed in a cardboard box with no trigger lock, and nothing on the outside of the package to indicate that a firearm is inside........
 
I ordered a Tracker from SIR and the lady said that it will have to be in a locked case with a trigger lock and the keys mailed separately. More money.:rolleyes:
 
OK i understand the Rules but what about once you pick up the package at the Post Office if you have a box.
Do you have to trigger lock it and case it to drive it home. I dont think anyone would be that unlucky to get busted but they could be dicks right!

Or is it secure untill you open the package, I like to take a peek in my parcels in front of my postal lady (Who Likes Me and Guns)

The reason is ever since that guy on the old CGN site got some old 2x4s and a old wooden bowl instead of a gun he was expecting :rolleyes: at least if she sees you got ripped off you have a whitness :D
 
As I understand the Rules and in my own experience....

As long as you don't open the parcel, you just become part of the delivery system and that's it, you just take it home....

If you open the parcel, you must then have a trigger lock ready and install it immediately as well as just as quickly place it into a suitable container and lock it, at the same time you also require a short term ATT.....

Again in my experience...... CFC has faxed me a short term ATT good for 24 hrs,so no time crunch....
 
Halger280HVMag said:
If the Rules do not stipulate that something is required specifically, then I fail to see the requirement.
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It appears to me mailing something is a form of transporting it, so the rules of transporting apply to mailing. I'm not a lawyer, of course, but the BC CFO sees it the same way.

We can agree to disagree, I suppose.

Regards,
/joeplinker/
 
I am only relating my own experiences with shipping handguns and of my own dealings with CFC....

I have received handguns shipped to me by private individuals and by dealers. None had trigger locks installed for shipping. None had any indication of the contents marked on the outside of the package. Some were in a cardboard box, and some packed first in a wrap of cardboard, then inserted into an Express post bubble envelope. Always signature required.

Same applies to other handguns shipped to me via Courrier.

I feel comfortable with that. There's nothing wrong with shipping with a trigger lock installed if you feel better that way....:)

Here's another shipping reference.....

Q. Can I send firearms in the mail?

You may ship restricted firearms, non-restricted firearms and prohibited handguns from one Canadian location to another Canadian location if you use the most secure method offered by Canada Post that requires a signature upon delivery. Prohibited firearms, other than prohibited handguns, and firearms being shipped across the Canadian border, must be shipped by an individual or carrier company licensed under the Firearms Act to transport those classes of firearms.

You are required by law to ship firearms unloaded and in a safe and secure manner to deter loss, theft and accidents.
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from this CFC page....

http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/faq/default_e.asp#d3
 
Yep, I'm familiar with the section above. Perhaps it doesn't specifically mention trigger locked and in a locked case b/c it's more generally referring to mailing any firearm, including non-restricted arms. But regardless, it doesn't negate the need for it either, which is explicitly spelled out in the section on transporting restricted firearms.

However, given how widespread the issue of mailing unlocked firearms appears to be, it does seem like the law may be a bit unclear.

/joeplinker/
 
My two cents' worth:

There are a lot of silly "interpretations" out there, and I feel that we just don't need to make life any more difficult than it already is.

Some people ship me guns with trigger locks on and the guns in locked cases(usually combination locks), and I don't complain :)

I don't do that, and most people do not. Shipping guns, and transporting guns are two totally different things.

If you insist on asking questions of people who really aren't sure, you will usually get answers you won't like. I had a customer who asked Loomis if his gun had to be disassembled to be shipped. Yup, you guessed it - they said that that was indeed their policy! He suggested that any crook worth his salt could assemble it if all the parts were there, and was then told that the "firing bolt" had to be shipped separately.....

Gunnar
 
Here's a rule change that I found buried deep....

2. Section 2 of the Regulations is replaced by the following:

2. These Regulations do not apply to the storage and transportation of a non-restricted firearm, restricted firearm or prohibited handgun in the course of transmission by post within Canada from the time the firearm or handgun is posted to the time it is delivered to the addressee, within the meaning of subsection 2(2) of the Canada Post Corporation Act, or returned to the sender.
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From this site...Canada Gazette.....

http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partII/2004/20041215/html/sor278-e.html

I hope this helps to clarify this muddy issue....:)
 
I have mailed many guns either to some one or to a gun smith at no time has it been required to have a locked box or a trigger lock, I just wrap it up & send express post....
 
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